From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBD3oK3sBBoEpADycg@googlegroups.com Thu Mar 24 07:09:16 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q2lDs-0004ul-5A; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:09:16 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf852gwb.16 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:09:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=DSMaJuVZGIYEVBhU5AnYIAzh52TMDsFhCEA843rtvg8=; b=zzKMNNdBXusMe2BuN0VkTdP+5z2XAPGm+By9rzowVG+0aEJsfbZX0Nu4l8vvPZ6cr8 7bvH6PnfYbN2opFjidPoaINbGNURBxVefj4XmRSVp+KmLAAQo9Scevgwei12NkUC6WMO wQ06uQ2haaH2n6oEIvXV2iwCo79DOklGzznIA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=H7/ulaEtv5JWizb9JIfzlhHymoEih2VY0jlYxTH2pBU/IEbmOT+CroHXrFF9ksl7tM h4LcfDc1zCCXczqCI9Gy/HQR3Ax9QAj57CU41WzP8+DJCPxxBcqJRtSPMRBcLUcyLKlc 4hpAjorJbnFN0lR4W2M5mW0cfcaTiGqjRh4Hk= Received: by 10.90.176.16 with SMTP id y16mr1270702age.54.1300975735169; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.176.157 with SMTP id be29ls841468ibb.1.p; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.43.137 with SMTP id w9mr3902535ibe.4.1300975708267; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.43.137 with SMTP id w9mr3902373ibe.4.1300975683158; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-iy0-f179.google.com (mail-iy0-f179.google.com [209.85.210.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d9si2519252ibq.3.2011.03.24.07.08.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.179; Received: by iym7 with SMTP id 7so3544iym.10 for ; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.141.196 with SMTP id p4mr13431878icu.180.1300975681830; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.70 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.206.70 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:08:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201103240902.45209.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201103240902.45209.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:08:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e869e607f07049f3b01eb --90e6ba6e869e607f07049f3b01eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 soi with one sumti assumes that the most recent sumti is the reciprical sumti. E.g. ti broda ta soi ti = ti broda ta soi ta ti On Mar 24, 2011 9:02 AM, "Pierre Abbat" wrote: > On Thursday 24 March 2011 08:11:50 ranoritc wrote: >> go'i .i uinaiku'i zo ti fanza zoi gy this thing gy na roroi soi .i >> la'e zoi gy CLL gy cusku zoi gy The cmavo ``ti'', ``ta'', and ``tu'' >> provide only the pointing function of ``this'' and ``that''; they are >> not used to refer to things that cannot be pointed at. gy .i la'e de'u >> simsa lonu cusku bau glibau zoi gy this object composed on my Android >> gy > > Do you mean "fanza" or "fanva"? Neither makes sense: you can't annoy character > strings, and words can't translate. > >> PS note: Does "na soi" or even riskier "na roroi soi" work? > > "soi" followed by two sumti means that the sentence remains true when the two > sumti are exchanged. "soi" followed by one sumti is grammatical, but I don't > know what it means. "soi" without a sumti following is ungrammatical. > > Pierre > -- > Don't buy a French car in Holland. 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soi with one sumti assumes that the most recent sumti is the reciprical = sumti.
E.g.=A0 ti broda ta soi ti =3D ti broda ta soi ta ti

On Mar 24, 2011 9:02 AM, "Pierre Abbat"= ; <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrot= e:
> On Thursday 24 March 2011 08:11:50 ranoritc= wrote:
>> go'i .i uinaiku'i zo ti fanza zoi gy this thing gy na roro= i soi .i
>> la'e zoi gy CLL gy cusku zoi gy The cmavo ``ti'= ;', ``ta'', and ``tu''
>> provide only the poi= nting function of ``this'' and ``that''; they are
>> not used to refer to things that cannot be pointed at. gy .i la= 9;e de'u
>> simsa lonu cusku bau glibau zoi gy this object com= posed on my Android
>> gy
>
> Do you mean "fanza= " or "fanva"? Neither makes sense: you can't annoy chara= cter
> strings, and words can't translate.
>
>> PS note: = Does "na soi" or even riskier "na roroi soi" work?
&= gt;
> "soi" followed by two sumti means that the sentence = remains true when the two
> sumti are exchanged. "soi" followed by one sumti is grammati= cal, but I don't
> know what it means. "soi" without a= sumti following is ungrammatical.
>
> Pierre
> --
> Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.
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