From lojban-beginners+bncCMuAoImuBxCCibztBBoEGUCD-Q@googlegroups.com Wed Apr 20 09:06:41 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCZvJ-0002BP-ED; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:41 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf931384fxm.16 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=mTIh4C8jXA2oAYjAKXrobHjRdf5uzWolKlNpQ0RhmVM=; b=qyhWQnpM4Z68zS2eJsMcvxzl3WrrehVk/6Lc0QTU0c6tZHi/s6eBQGdukv6d3W+R33 HFG5q9R98H+zlfgupGwPwepjSc09USKVgn/lWGc6AFnU5otUZO8t2Kl5BV8p6D8YL25C gVHYiLhsFQXq+Ug4eVyuJW1rCSHwCg58mGsFg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=kBIY2KoGkpjtdD2vkl+NTGr+QyXtAXtt3xqIMecW6uNPF4UadXgCPgUeqQOujVV9dy wEaagZTaHFBS+aG+DOSruqGW6veFlaZ1XGncreUQsGrgSOsAMBxzYvNODrhecbeUM29x 34tXsab1o1iAJ6oovaJjvb3ZvJO0mj5Jom57Q= Received: by 10.223.27.66 with SMTP id h2mr378404fac.6.1303315586363; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.25.14 with SMTP id x14ls592668fab.3.gmail; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.146 with SMTP id d18mr107740fan.16.1303315585376; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.146 with SMTP id d18mr107739fan.16.1303315585343; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f45.google.com (mail-bw0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si108807fav.0.2011.04.20.09.06.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.45; Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so952020bwz.32 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.71.193 with SMTP id i1mr3812328bkj.102.1303315584910; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.117.203 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 09:06:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55e97578-888a-4f10-9bb2-c482ed625361@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:06:24 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "th" sounds in Lojban From: Jameson Orndorff To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jtorndorff@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jtorndorff@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jtorndorff@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b6c978048104a15bcea2 --001636c5b6c978048104a15bcea2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The "th" in "thin" is a valid pronunciation of {'}. mi'e .kribacr. On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Alessandro "Jake Dust" Andrioni < jakedust@gmail.com> wrote: > (or in Portuguese, in German, in Spanish, in Italian, in Polish, in > Mandarin, in Hebrew, in French, in Hindi, etc) > > On 20 April 2011 12:56, .arpis. wrote: > > Continuing what {latros} said, your question is similar to asking, "How > > would you write the 'th' in Russian?" > > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > >> > >> (I may have misunderstood your question, though.) > >> > >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Ian Johnson > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> They're not morphologically permitted, because so few languages have > >>> them. If you want to make them, you're going to have to do it inside > ZOI. > >>> > >>> mu'o mi'e .latros. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Greendogo wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hey, I was wondering how someone would write the "th" sounds of "then" > >>>> and "thin" (respectively) in Lojbanic orthography without substituting > >>>> the ' (h sound). > >>>> > >>>> I wish someone had taken into account that "th" sounds are very > >>>> beautiful. > >>>> > >>>> Personally, my orthography would have used "x" for the "th" sound in > >>>> "thin" and "dx" for the "th" sound in "then". I would have then used > >>>> "h" for the guttural sound that "x" is now used for. > >>>> > >>>> I don't know why, but the two "th" sounds are probably my favorite > >>>> sounds that the human mouth can produce. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636c5b6c978048104a15bcea2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The "th" in "thin" is a valid pronunciation of {'}.=

mi'e .kribacr.

On Wed, Apr 20= , 2011 at 12:03 PM, Alessandro "Jake Dust" Andrioni <jakedust@gmail.com> wrote:
(or in Portuguese, in German, in Spanish, i= n Italian, in Polish, in
Mandarin, in Hebrew, in French, in Hindi, etc)

On 20 April 2011 12:56, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> Continuing what {latros} said, your question is similar to asking, &qu= ot;How
> would you write the 'th' in Russian?"
>
> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> (I may have misunderstood your question, though.)
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> They're not morphologically permitted, because so few lang= uages have
>>> them. If you want to make them, you're going to have to do= it inside ZOI.
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Greendogo <pcm1123@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I was wondering how someone would write the "th&= quot; sounds of "then"
>>>> and "thin" (respectively) in Lojbanic orthograph= y without substituting
>>>> the ' (h sound).
>>>>
>>>> I wish someone had taken into account that "th" = sounds are very
>>>> beautiful.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, my orthography would have used "x" f= or the "th" sound in
>>>> "thin" and "dx" for the "th"= sound in "then". =A0I would have then used
>>>> "h" for the guttural sound that "x" is= now used for.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know why, but the two "th" sounds ar= e probably my favorite
>>>> sounds that the human mouth can produce.
>>>>
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