From lojban-beginners+bncCOnL7Z71BBDb577tBBoEY4xFYA@googlegroups.com Wed Apr 20 21:34:50 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QClbL-00032k-CX; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:50 -0700 Received: by wya21 with SMTP id 21sf1955548wya.16 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=f4WYclwthqgJgflbem0HmrmaBLI4YkQ/XhYSEeo6MBs=; b=ZsZbTgXy3bjMA+dB6TvCNbdofuGIFf0iZ6HHQR5qevl/Yyyozbt/vQ6OeqqLbQVd2D 9Qqid81XKUIgJJzXS+9vlGRgkhL1jFWD/wsphYfEtkxuiWS5G3bXBnN/j71JCUBJT6Kh dkqy4O5ApaODopU+PpuW6Nkpailv7TTixKvKY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=k/logL7waBpIMa2qgd2W7suNPchKtOxOYp6WyxxKiZMQcmU1q/s95k0q9ybKLg4+CI 7jKN+gmGraM8lwriRAfAMpIMoq63j5uaXS17rl9UmSaJTC9QH5snMSua2K2TXnpyGcFZ /M1127D6dZY+r7Ch4Jl050OhnfeIJ/tG5wUmM= Received: by 10.216.16.9 with SMTP id g9mr2384657weg.28.1303360475871; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.95.10 with SMTP id b10ls1154546wbn.3.gmail; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.173.76 with SMTP id o12mr449789wbz.6.1303360474912; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.173.76 with SMTP id o12mr449788wbz.6.1303360474896; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f178.google.com (mail-wy0-f178.google.com [74.125.82.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g17si456976wbe.7.2011.04.20.21.34.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of thomasjack@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.178; Received: by wyb33 with SMTP id 33so1156234wyb.9 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.59.146 with SMTP id s18mr285928wec.50.1303360474526; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.175.205 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 21:34:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:34:34 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? From: Thomas Jack To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: thomasjack@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of thomasjack@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=thomasjack@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'e > flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm not > sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks > can't swim. Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at jbovlaste to be canonical? Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general, whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.