From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhDB-r7tBBoEaRgung@googlegroups.com Wed Apr 20 22:14:56 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCmE8-0002zA-P4; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:56 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf1464913fxm.16 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+5/HW2XtiFgexhyozDQontLsZb8M/LLHBdcUVzd6bZU=; b=67RMPdQuBgAcPKkTBCF2eQ+mkx0fYc57KhPsT8GxoHQHiZTJoKxm9XfzNefkeXrebw KTxTqtAyUF7idk8GQ2KdwfPfxalTQaVwdykhI2AAYMQGZVnA7ErN0kiADaOQJEkdJc6q o4e+mONubm8+iGKPzpVpaKPmon5Q7LEM7onZQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ScXxxOzo+W5uDygmFHRET6RbchqMnZPjwzgoLdSdjztyGaXhbpNBHyDMxyNvoNMuUJ bYuGTqUhGOcjmWVMjtyMgou6yErBCjbaI26iO2F/O87CVype1Wr8/LOhuAJPHyj92FCW y4BXhEhf4mucej5hKYvnfvJhnwQExDAXnPm3E= Received: by 10.223.83.7 with SMTP id d7mr721224fal.22.1303362881452; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:41 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.51.195 with SMTP id e3ls699769fag.1.gmail; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.146 with SMTP id d18mr138323fan.16.1303362879919; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.95.146 with SMTP id d18mr138322fan.16.1303362879882; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f42.google.com (mail-bw0-f42.google.com [209.85.214.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r28si163774fam.10.2011.04.20.22.14.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.42; Received: by bwz18 with SMTP id 18so2105493bwz.15 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.80.29 with SMTP id r29mr942699bkk.195.1303362878530; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.191.80 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 22:14:38 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 23:14:38 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6452c63633004a166d10d --0016e6d6452c63633004a166d10d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever a word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition. On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > what could be more canonical for the definition of a word than the lojbanic > definition in jbovlaste? > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack wrote: > >> > According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'e >> > flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm not >> > sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks >> > can't swim. >> >> Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at >> jbovlaste to be canonical? >> >> Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general, >> whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d6452c63633004a166d10d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever a wo= rd /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com= > wrote:
what could be more canonical for the defini= tion of a word than the lojbanic definition in jbovlaste?


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas= Jack <thomasjack@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to how this CAhA is actu= ally defined, {ro datka ka'e
> flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm n= ot
> sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks > can't swim.

Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cu= mki}) at
jbovlaste to be canonical?

Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general,
whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}.

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