From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhDs6L_tBBoEqTn1Ww@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 21 02:10:20 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCptv-0002Lz-GL; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:20 -0700 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14sf1641403fxm.16 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=Msqw4gscS2lBUSumOS74We+zebqHOBXBckcvWnuccYU=; b=ShqQLj3ZkXgohUFQ4x3P4UZnBMLVpiI7loKZri034lzwG4KorP52cJG705M93FDdLF TQu3lekqvVQvbOPznjVDVrEH1a6LwWQkfDOa8kctjOrI9Ib9k5Hcepbs5bAb6FHNrGod 5ES+nukRB/gfpah8yZsAk/X/AATof0iWdoB6Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Xb9E+fqpI8P1suJzXMaSnUAiqYbFZ6SwDLtMXXGerck0KTa2Z/jLXkoARaE2TWcoj0 yxyUT/1upk65gQgj7kX1AJMziNQ85ZGIDTrAHljHKF08Nz8Nzh66gWRMASlgNYkPbBEl LL6CSSZhLBBqgQhMGbCzth+5s0B4C8knUn8ZI= Received: by 10.223.92.145 with SMTP id r17mr507207fam.28.1303377004276; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.78.196 with SMTP id m4ls753524fak.0.gmail; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.77.11 with SMTP id e11mr161434fak.17.1303377002945; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.77.11 with SMTP id e11mr161433fak.17.1303377002916; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r28si181522fam.10.2011.04.21.02.10.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.54; Received: by mail-bw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 12so1885574bwz.41 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.80.29 with SMTP id r29mr1115414bkk.195.1303377001657; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.191.80 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:10:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:10:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d6452c31376b04a16a1b35 --0016e6d6452c31376b04a16a1b35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What? That's just plain backwards. Is there a single other language in which the canon definition is in a different language? On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > The canonical definitions are and always have been the English definitions. > To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it's checked against the > English. > > stevo > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever a >> word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >>> what could be more canonical for the definition of a word than the >>> lojbanic definition in jbovlaste? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack wrote: >>> >>>> > According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'e >>>> > flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm not >>>> > sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks >>>> > can't swim. >>>> >>>> Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at >>>> jbovlaste to be canonical? >>>> >>>> Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general, >>>> whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d6452c31376b04a16a1b35 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What? That's just plain backwards. Is there a single other language in = which the canon definition is in a different language?

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
The canonical definitions are and alwa= ys have been the English definitions. To check whether a Lojban definition = is right, it's checked against the English.
=A0
stevo

On Thu, Apr 21= , 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:=
Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And when= ever a word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition.=20


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
what could be more canonical for the = definition of a word than the lojbanic definition in jbovlaste?=20


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack <thomasjack@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'= e
> flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I= 9;m not
> sure would be true if there already is an actuality where s= ome ducks
> can't swim.

Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban= definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at
jbovlaste to be canonical?

U= nfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general,
whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}.

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