From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCW87_tBBoEo-cd_w@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 21 02:32:21 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCqFF-0000XI-EO; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:21 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf626167vxk.16 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=orHAj2wDK+ZMT/ODFglbD1hFSlIFcGvVPjimJDQNxVw=; b=jGwbw47mCDPbZU4YZt+vmLha4R36gSolbX+1rQo3/qfHa97wo+l0nw743xEGdaDgQ1 3GKw9s9VoscQwKXhqRxmkuz71OeMAL1xC5vFrReDtImVGliIcKBNUQFLs6L5PGPpiBul aojOnajABmT9UK2hwOIzVK+y8RTM9onldELNs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5T9Hf9AwnJGZOkw9+cmBgbsj+EY5A48mzylybCH4YonK80SIU4Qj0leiLUiRMqDMwX fuPj2CM8JLC5RW6cZxufjPlvep6hyEn6QYfVUS6gmEU5gsbtTRgnG3xOFxW6IaIwBHF7 KgDFNQ52xkX+UbAWCIn+9ul2RO/2qLr2lvfqA= Received: by 10.220.125.21 with SMTP id w21mr873813vcr.32.1303378326145; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.158.33 with SMTP id wr1ls75650vdb.3.gmail; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.115.164 with SMTP id jp4mr2777993vdb.20.1303378325337; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.115.164 with SMTP id jp4mr2777992vdb.20.1303378325308; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f171.google.com (mail-qy0-f171.google.com [209.85.216.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl21si306421vbb.3.2011.04.21.02.32.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.171; Received: by qyj19 with SMTP id 19so3050924qyj.2 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.49.66 with SMTP id u2mr5464167qaf.326.1303378324986; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.28.203 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 02:32:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 05:32:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? From: Alex Rozenshteyn To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485e98b361199f204a16a6aa5 --001485e98b361199f204a16a6aa5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Latin. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > What? That's just plain backwards. Is there a single other language in > which the canon definition is in a different language? > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> The canonical definitions are and always have been the English >> definitions. To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it's checked >> against the English. >> >> stevo >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever a >>> word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> what could be more canonical for the definition of a word than the >>>> lojbanic definition in jbovlaste? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack wrote: >>>> >>>>> > According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'e >>>>> > flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm not >>>>> > sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks >>>>> > can't swim. >>>>> >>>>> Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at >>>>> jbovlaste to be canonical? >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general, >>>>> whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >>> do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:10 AM, J= onathan Jones <ey= eonus@gmail.com> wrote:
What? That's just plain backwards. Is there a single other language in = which the canon definition is in a different language?


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:2= 8 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
The canonical definitions are and alway= s have been the English definitions. To check whether a Lojban definition i= s right, it's checked against the English.
=A0
stevo

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:1= 4 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Idea= lly, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever a word /= is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition.=20


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
what could be more canonical for the = definition of a word than the lojbanic definition in jbovlaste?=20


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack <thomasjack@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'= e
> flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I= 9;m not
> sure would be true if there already is an actuality where s= ome ducks
> can't swim.

Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban= definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at
jbovlaste to be canonical?

U= nfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general,
whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}.

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.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe = lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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