From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCzkMDtBBoETnC6lw@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 21 03:34:45 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCrDa-000863-HQ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:44 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2615518qwh.16 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mzr0DAGt9TECfcloE5rBLseGLj9pbpSarO7KuThC/vM=; b=wWRkAJVH0StOBjXeROdYf6/j6izCS19l1yVYW4Udwc2umTqW+lrKxXb7P1pa0MfJeU Ad74PgzYxZINB1NJnyQmnmLLmTQAN2hdhwjkNeD/L9NH0Cz3ngVOiALnU3wa9gmpQNK9 PtYOsVgOQZYOJy9nppve3PXTZYdaOtFoHZTzQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ISHwC/todAUyIfBMqCOYF9XpoGgmYfqSL3+Bzr7VAzhhgt9OVN/MR15wRdVqdK8843 B6BL+7Kel9a9y6JiLM0bkRPfvblhEC18bq+k0EN7YOJvbgeYe8Qvfe/Dl/KvKiIIHgc6 uiw88ofonrMpk2rRFiBk6GtAQoamG+RAc/9RM= Received: by 10.229.106.69 with SMTP id w5mr977307qco.9.1303382067891; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.179.137 with SMTP id bq9ls399840qab.6.gmail; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.69.218 with SMTP id a26mr555599qaj.23.1303382066993; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.69.218 with SMTP id a26mr555598qaj.23.1303382066962; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f49.google.com (mail-qw0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m42si366980qcz.9.2011.04.21.03.34.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.49; Received: by mail-qw0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 2so1324837qwi.22 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.203.193 with SMTP id fj1mr5101482qab.226.1303382066756; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.28.203 with HTTP; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 03:34:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:34:26 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30051232187b6b04a16b493d --20cf30051232187b6b04a16b493d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, yes, but I was under the impression that Klingon wasn't a fully defined language anyway; i.e. that it has no vocabulary for many everyday objects, let alone linguistic concepts. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:02 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:10 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> What? That's just plain backwards. Is there a single other language in >> which the canon definition is in a different language? >> >> > Klingon. > > stevo > >> >> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> The canonical definitions are and always have been the English >>> definitions. To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it's checked >>> against the English. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever >>>> a word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> >>>>> what could be more canonical for the definition of a word than the >>>>> lojbanic definition in jbovlaste? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> > According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'e >>>>>> > flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I'm not >>>>>> > sure would be true if there already is an actuality where some ducks >>>>>> > can't swim. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at >>>>>> jbovlaste to be canonical? >>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general, >>>>>> whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi >>>> patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >> do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! 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To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30051232187b6b04a16b493d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, yes, but I was under the impression that Klingon wasn't a fully d= efined language anyway; i.e. that it has no vocabulary for many everyday ob= jects, let alone linguistic concepts.

On = Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:02 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:10 A= M, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
What? That's just plain backwards= . Is there a single other language in which the canon definition is in a di= fferent language?=20

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Klingon.
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stevo

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:28 AM, MorphemeAddict = <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
The canonical definitions are and always have been the English definit= ions. To check whether a Lojban definition is right, it's checked again= st the English.
=A0
stevo

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Jonathan Jones <= eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever= a word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition.=20


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:48 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
what could be more canonical for the = definition of a word than the lojbanic definition in jbovlaste?=20


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Thomas Jack <thomasjack@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to how this CAhA is actually defined, {ro datka ka'= e
> flulimna} means {lo nu ro datka cu flulimna cu cumki}, which I= 9;m not
> sure would be true if there already is an actuality where s= ome ducks
> can't swim.

Ah, do you take the Lojban<->Lojban= definition ({fi'o se cumki}) at
jbovlaste to be canonical?

U= nfortunately I don't think this is a safe strategy in general,
whether or not xorxes is right about {ka'e}.

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