From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCk38DtBBoEu9zrYg@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 21 06:23:04 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCtqR-0006jR-3P; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:23:02 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2826535qwh.16 for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:22:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=w5IBjYwccBjqkwSYieNqBZA+cGJFv0TUIadOJ7YtWrA=; b=rSqmped/Q0zFfRxvySJqQ7ZzmAG+th3gNC3s+ztHwDeXwEbjGDOBGHb/EXAmv7dO+Y zCHgwmcSkH6ldGrB1Vxhx5z2nxTy3lCbttJSgzEtui3YkekjA+SFNSwuKcHEWCWPW8tk bUipvKx0HtEdJjg7YDCG+p9iJg69VLDSsFeso= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NZAcpdRPHKRcusOAIGlKcKrxWx5QErrylDNgb8pUzcfPlJzQhUS5vnut4HOvxehWks 8nwFiFT4ccxjN/2j1lKA6+v5IBfmlSs99sBWGwZxmDdUtu23OMf1SwxkJ9wyKaKS1XO3 h7EcarvkbPcVQdj9TJG8jtei36GNLRhf3+QY4= Received: by 10.229.18.78 with SMTP id v14mr1006442qca.18.1303392164502; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.205.76 with SMTP id fp12ls745512qcb.0.gmail; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.126.167 with SMTP id c39mr619291qcs.25.1303392163295; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.126.167 with SMTP id c39mr619289qcs.25.1303392163281; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w19si391442qco.11.2011.04.21.06.22.41; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 06:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=2pE2Kh9Ye2ywHyyFZnC5ZQ1FvuPrdOtuPO5uN4ysVDU= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=yHhtWAjAoGAA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=JPqAJv32zdZCX7cC66oA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:54483] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id CE/FC-05159-1AF20BD4; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 13:22:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7AF17EEF for ; Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:22:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 09:21:45 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201104210921.55985.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 21 April 2011 01:14:38 Jonathan Jones wrote: > Ideally, /every/ Lojban word should be defined in Lojban. And whenever a > word /is/, that most certainly /is/ the canonical definition. It's impossible to define every word in a language in the same language=20 without circularity. There must be some definitions which refer to things= =20 outside the language. All words for species of organisms: "cinfo", for=20 instance, is defined as any organism of breed x2 which belongs to the speci= es=20 Panthera leo, which is in turn defined by a type specimen. Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.