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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] vlastezba: First beta version released! Message-ID: <20110421212744.GA78501@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <20110421123557.GA71258@alice.local> <20110421210112.GL73288@alice.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.213.45 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .i .uanai la'e zo di'u .i lo se benji ku no nilcla .i mu'o mi'e .alyn. On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 03:12:09PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > to pu benji di'u fo lo mi me la.android. fonxa toi >=20 > mu'o mi'e.aionys. >=20 > On Apr 21, 2011 3:01 PM, ".alyn.post." > <[1]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >=20 > Here are the definitions of consonants and vowels from the PEG file: >=20 > consonant <- voiced > / unvoiced > / syllabic >=20 > syllabic <- l / m / n / r >=20 > voiced <- b / d / g / j / v / z > unvoiced <- c / f / k / p / s / t / x >=20 > vowel <- a / e / i / o / u >=20 > You'll have to ask another question. :-) >=20 > ybu is valid, it being the y letteral in selma'o BY (I believe it ha= s > also been two words, Y+BU, in the past though I could be wrong about > that. For your purposes either definition is probably ok.) >=20 > Will you quote the phrase you're referring to regarding pauses? I > see this one: >=20 > The cmavo =EF=BF=BD.u'e=EF=BF=BD begins with a vowel, and like all w= ords > beginning with a vowel, requires a pause (represented by =EF=BF=BD.= =EF=BF=BD) > before it. >=20 > I understand "represented" to be different than "required." In > particular, these lines are all the same: >=20 > .a'e.i'o > a'e.i'o > a'e i'o > .a'e i'o >=20 > In that '.' and ' ' are the same. In section 3.3 there is this: >=20 > Technically, the period is an optional reminder to the reader of a > mandatory pause that is dictated by the rules of the language; > because these rules are unambiguous, a missing period can be > inferred from otherwise correct text. Periods are included only as > an aid to the reader. >=20 > A period also may be found apparently embedded in a word. When > this occurs, such a written string is not one word but two, > written together to indicate that the writer intends a unitary > meaning for the compound. It is not really necessary to use a > space between words if a period appears. >=20 > Given my understanding of the above, I believe your requiring a > period to represent this pause to be in error. >=20 > I will rerun my baseline and reply back with it. >=20 > -Alan >=20 > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:42:40PM +0200, Johan Pretorius wrote: > > Hi Alan > > > > I thought I w... >=20 > > <[1][2]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > > > vlastezba crashes on 80 of the 2433 tests.... >=20 > > [2][3]pretoriusjf@gmail.com >=20 > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "Lojb... >=20 > > References > > > > Visible links > > 1. mailto:[4]alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org >=20 > > 2. mailto:[5]pretoriusjf@gmail.com >=20 > -- > .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du >=20 > -- >=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > ... >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 > References >=20 > Visible links > 1. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > 2. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > 3. mailto:pretoriusjf@gmail.com > 4. mailto:alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org > 5. mailto:pretoriusjf@gmail.com --=20 .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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