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To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Possession with "le le ..." Message-ID: <20110428150603.GA30212@alice.local> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <1ef02bdb-cb9a-4474-a0d8-e2fd2f84e2ab@w24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1ef02bdb-cb9a-4474-a0d8-e2fd2f84e2ab@w24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.210.53 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of alanpost@sunflowerriver.org) smtp.mail=alanpost@sunflowerriver.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 07:49:21AM -0700, Ben Foppa wrote: > Lojban for Beginners says "...consider how you would say le tamne pe > le ninmu klama 'the woman traveller's cousin' with this kind of > nesting. You could flip it around as le le ninmu klama tamne =97 but > then, how can you tell where the 'possessor' ends and where the > 'possessee' begins?" >=20 > I wonder why a construct like "le le ninmu klama cu tamne" wouldn't > work, to separate the argument to the first "le" (which is "ninmu > klama"), from the argument to the second "le" (which is "tamne"). Is > the purpose of "cu" not simply to separate two selbri when they are > consecutive arguments, or when one is the argument to another? >=20 You can use {ku} to terminate the inner {le}: le le ninmu klama ku tamne -alyn --=20 .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.