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So what happens if YOU address ME? Do YOU beome I, while I become YOU? Even=
 if written from MY perspective? Consider the context of an autobiography: =
if somebody addresses the biographer, I is no longer the speaker (despite t=
he fact that you are reading their presentation) as they are the person bei=
ng addressed, and therefore the listener. At least from one standpoint, any=
way.
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Also, you wouldn't want to introduce problems with sentences such as "You s=
aid it to me earlier". I and YOU surely cannot be always considered to be i=
n a fixed role of speaker and listener.

-----Original Message-----
From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com [mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegrou=
ps.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Jones
Sent: 28 April 2011 16:31
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal?


On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 5:45 AM, MorphemeAddict < lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:




On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:


On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 2:28 PM, MorphemeAddict < lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:


It's easier to keep I and YOU than forever distinguish between I as speaker=
 and YOU as listener.


Except that I /is/ /always/ the person speaking, and you /is/ /always/ the =
person listening.=20



But the person speaking isn't always I (he is to himself, but that's why we=
 need I), nor is the person listening always YOU.=20
=20
stevo


Yes, I am, and yes, you are, because the person "I" refers to is /ALWAYS/ t=
he person saying it, and the person "you" refers to is /ALWAYS/ the person =
"I" is addressing.

--=20
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )





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