From lojban-beginners+bncCKmy2o7eDhCJ2ubtBBoEBQsKNw@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 28 11:08:25 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVdT-0006PF-IW; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:24 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf7835936qwh.16 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=f3nnfgTwZVbRxwWuEdKEZvjw1iGiSyHghZnewqfchq8=; b=Azyjm+PgEIJXxmVlP/Dgc68VVMJyq4E9CAZSbemsJkn1LUhvYEZkBp1xnBZ9EZLH8V 3Du7mpAOgnoJ4rIj6t9PjH3qDz8fVvdbWWMjg4Mkp49Io8FI3bBUL6b46Tb6Gc/7iGS5 l/2fsuuIY9n+16mmO0kwsHnpr823dTua4kK+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:x-ip:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=HxPsTdIR414DB03mmoCzAvicl69DcQeLuSANubUgRXlx8pM/wHLq9hDR1TZn3rQYjJ SqGdYe3Y4FXGDmRAPZojP0AMiAjUCAglq1Q/CfA3/56Tq9u2AKpMSWSfmN87e8r1x8L/ 6PMRWhRt05FneKdnnn7zwltmAK6ggFiY0j6Jk= Received: by 10.224.9.197 with SMTP id m5mr397177qam.28.1304014089783; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.219.73 with SMTP id ht9ls359038qab.7.gmail; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.203.195 with SMTP id fj3mr194651qab.0.1304014089402; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.183.200 with SMTP id ch8msqab; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.191.76 with SMTP id dl12mr300999vcb.33.1304008623662; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by u26g2000vby.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:37:03 -0700 (PDT) X-IP: 209.221.90.202 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:2.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku From: Ben Foppa To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: eatingstaples@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In Lojban For Beginners (http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/ lojbanbrochure/lessons/less4articles.html), it is stated: "So ci lo gerku means 'three of those which really are dogs', or in plain words, 'three dogs'. lo ci gerku, however, means that we are talking about [one or more of] the only three dogs in the world, which is not something you'd really want to say." I understand how "ci lo gerku" means "three of those which are really dogs", but I don't understand how "lo ci gerku" means a subset of the only three dogs in existence; based on the definition of "lo" given there and on Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/lo#Lojban), it seems that "lo ci gerku" would mean "That which really was three dogs". -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.