From lojban-beginners+bncCKmy2o7eDhCJ2ubtBBoEBQsKNw@googlegroups.com Thu Apr 28 11:08:31 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QFVdT-0006PG-Lb; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:30 -0700 Received: by yxd5 with SMTP id 5sf4040041yxd.16 for ; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=LogrpTEAcuNUx4W0gR/Ra9affAvLKx1WQwyplcofImg=; b=Ow6TcFJ+PIaZ7d7FBuJFytMZmGouOfAojbvpazq8AZkkBJ8rqQLiU2Dj4Jk0uScM+/ 22sGXmnI+G8pIIRWWc/7QbyoVM5TUt1+2VLUR3HgcJf86fVf4RLK1i+NAhOcCGL+Lvs4 bkkZzyymfRC0wxPsh3kPZgiE693JW/vM9L3iw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=Uwbnk4H31MswoRzq8s1lYNOLI40B5mOax1YhHjwA/Ykq3uXuCs+qMGOXdhC2u3EcT/ u0avaH+FZIhyGhjqktN9USGDP8zW2WZZfTPOwqxL2QI7nuNSJ+vNvPMocXcXrb5FhDCP 8mnmBLKiRdM0Qehj9Cyawruk+x/6tqHRx93/w= Received: by 10.150.173.6 with SMTP id v6mr529508ybe.60.1304014089834; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.105.18 with SMTP id d18ls1474081ybc.7.gmail; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.162.2 with SMTP id k2mr434330ybe.54.1304014089216; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.73.31 with SMTP id v31msyba; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.1.3 with SMTP id d3mr385826ani.4.1304007927646; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by k5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:25:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 209.221.90.202 References: <1ef02bdb-cb9a-4474-a0d8-e2fd2f84e2ab@w24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <20110428150603.GA30212@alice.local> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:2.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <202d5f08-9abf-4875-8a15-182967c6b280@k5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Possession with "le le ..." From: Ben Foppa To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: eatingstaples@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excellent, I understand now - thank you! On Apr 28, 11:25=A0am, Jameson Orndorff wrote: > The purpose of {cu} is to mark the next construct as the selbri of a > main-level bridi. This word will terminate everything it needs to to get = you > to a main-level selbri. > > The 'construct' you are working for is a terminator - {ku}. {ku} terminat= es > LE, LA, and a few other things, and will let you terminate the 'inner' > sumti. > > lo lo ninmu klama ku tamne > > mi'e .kribacr. mu'o > > > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Luke Bergen wro= te: > > I think the question though is, if {cu} means "separate selbri from > > preceding sumti" then, why can't you do {le le ninmu cu klama} where th= is is > > interpreted as: (something that goes in x1 of: ( something that goes in= x1 > > of: (ninmu ) > > comes). > > > Ok, I don't know how to describe that better. =A0Basically, if {cu} say= s "ok, > > we're done with this sumti, now do a selbri" but that itself is happeni= ng > > inside a LE, then why can't the following selbri be converted by the ou= ter > > LE? > > > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:06 AM, .alyn.post. < > > alyn.p...@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: > > >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 07:49:21AM -0700, Ben Foppa wrote: > >> > Lojban for Beginners says "...consider how you would say le tamne pe > >> > le ninmu klama 'the woman traveller's cousin' with this kind of > >> > nesting. You could flip it around as le le ninmu klama tamne =97 but > >> > then, how can you tell where the 'possessor' ends and where the > >> > 'possessee' begins?" > > >> > I wonder why a construct like "le le ninmu klama cu tamne" wouldn't > >> > work, to separate the argument to the first "le" (which is "ninmu > >> > klama"), from the argument to the second "le" (which is "tamne"). Is > >> > the purpose of "cu" not simply to separate two selbri when they are > >> > consecutive arguments, or when one is the argument to another? > > >> You can use {ku} to terminate the inner {le}: > > >> =A0le le ninmu klama ku tamne > > >> -alyn > >> -- > >> .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du > > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > =A0-- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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