From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhD3v_vsBBoEmCF2YQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 08 03:14:33 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q88hw-0006UY-RV; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:32 -0700 Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20sf1074481vxk.16 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+1sEUjg3LpPBNT4i+NShqG/7jLrel6ensALd2IRZ69o=; b=fEr4JHANE33YpNWC7g1RN8/1UpRW3XZTliEvUyg7sW+AzxYm/GD95eglI0uUCyThcU aru+3s8Z1kB1Ymr+NAQFQ7QOqSLQ6FNPWTigEsEzd+Ol6dnCFQ8QwFKod9XWkabuUuyo fQ5OJ0qqdSbilT/19RXEl6+eEkkA0H2zS5l9I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=JKjMyaDb9taymZ8uCVEz+ZjCFS/EJCS7VpHAcKuNTzZuevLiTbeN+/mYSGEgr7RCQI u5s/nmXmbsDpxbutqjMqXANZRN5sKGz4imLMoQMwTEouqoOcNbHg0u1ovjMrHJKVtmtT G6QC/6HWV2GFqMtN+aLsUtb4hl83F/BnoBFEM= Received: by 10.220.67.157 with SMTP id r29mr230296vci.57.1302257655340; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.100.195 with SMTP id z3ls1013121vcn.2.p; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.62.8 with SMTP id v8mr464366vch.10.1302257654228; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.62.8 with SMTP id v8mr464365vch.10.1302257654214; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com (mail-qy0-f181.google.com [209.85.216.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fl21si521038vbb.3.2011.04.08.03.14.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.181; Received: by mail-qy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 14so2453102qyg.12 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.40.139 with SMTP id k11mr1609180qce.135.1302257653913; Fri, 08 Apr 2011 03:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.96.135 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Apr 2011 03:14:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <72a5d205-deaa-4624-8c02-5ffde2aa36e2@s9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <72a5d205-deaa-4624-8c02-5ffde2aa36e2@s9g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 06:14:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Poetic license in lojbanic songs? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I personally don't like it. As an editor over at oedilf.com, I take my stresses very seriously. That's why it's often difficult to translate English songs into lojban. English songs tend to end their lines with stress, which is only possible of course in lojban with cmevla and cmavo. I'd probably be more forgiving with omitting .i (although I find in practice, it can easily be wedged in quickly) or with leaving out (or severely shortening, at any rate) mandatory pauses. --gejyspa On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:41 PM, ianek wrote: > coi > What do you think about stretching Lojban rules in songs? The main > thing is the stress, of course it's better when it's kept, but > sometimes it's very hard and one syllable falls out... Is it better > when the stress is broken on two-syllable cmavo than brivla? I've seen > some songs with wrong stress, especially the translations of "The Song > That Never Ends", http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Song+That+Never+Ends > Another thing is {i}. Is it acceptable to skip it on the beginning of > a stanza? I've seen such practice in "da pu laldo ninmu co tunlo le > sfani", http://www.lojban.org/tiki/da+pu+laldo+ninmu+co+tunlo+le+sfani > I don't intend to point anyone's fault, I just want to know what is > acceptable in your opinion. > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.