From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCDnJLtBBoEK9lLZg@googlegroups.com Tue Apr 12 10:38:37 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q9hXn-0001BM-Vp; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:38:37 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf3954669vws.16 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:38:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis :x-cloudmark-score:x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=i3fGRK+wxge3f1mAOtCcNPMdFarcI3pPnP8nS11xzkw=; b=yLJ3sU06CYarXrAhvgoye2v/lc8lSvItZCv2yDUExzgfpqVTs/YBGtvI49LIQb9Hmu Zj8+bG2RQJsrTMFlhSweWy1dbrnnplTixOhTolPJdNlLFeNHn6YOwgsKU4+hlLud0+hm psmnKQyojqGkvtDnuzc1jCorzknmRuLOVa5Es= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=dabFHw5S3XeLUE1aMUQ9/iixiAddSTgyBDyMP0MFPZ6m5WJ7VvaLhMEfIRJe+zkxd7 u98/uJj4b5wfIhfnqrIa0H52N3SvsOWGwOIi+NcNjwx+xkvviiAbENvGX1/qM+aGLeon IhO93PkJdeTWbWafTWqGy/Xyg9y7v0KE+l7xs= Received: by 10.220.123.134 with SMTP id p6mr842419vcr.13.1302629891812; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:38:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.113.208 with SMTP id b16ls2393302vcq.0.p; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.201 with SMTP id bz9mr627765vcb.19.1302629890576; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.181.201 with SMTP id bz9mr627763vcb.19.1302629890543; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id x27si472868vcr.1.2011.04.12.10.38.09; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 10:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=ToWar1fa9ljTHbeJIRNQycBnYxCRNi5M/11QAwRcJ6A= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=B0YCbxcXg2AA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=rUc5GjEUYixu0Lx1b2EA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:45406] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 69/CE-29678-00E84AD4; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 17:38:08 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB21D633E for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] BAI confusion Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 13:37:59 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201104121338.01517.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 12 April 2011 11:31:38 Alex Rozenshteyn wrote: > So I thought I understood lojban modals... then I found this: > {*mi ne te du'o lo mikce saske cu ka'e sidju*} > > Given what I know of GOI (TIL that {ne} is a member of GOI) and BAI, this > doesn't make sense. The only way I can make sense of this is to think of > BAI + sumti => sumti (more or less). Is this the case? "pe" is the way of attaching a prepositional phrase to a sumti. "ne" is to "pe" as "noi" is to "poi". Here's my example showing the difference between attaching a prepositional phrase to a selbri and attaching it to a sumti: mi viska lo renro pa'o lo canko I look through a window and see a thrower. mi viska lo renro be pa'o lo canko I see someone who throws through a window. mi viska lo renro pe pa'o lo canko I see someone who throws and is stuck in a window. Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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