From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhD-k9fsBBoEPEvgCQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 01 05:50:28 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5dnz-0006Rf-Mg; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:28 -0700 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf1275823vxc.16 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=/Vw84BtxWHHy+S6k6p3gFk0ZSlajVx2U6v8Wqt3rWd0=; b=bGczeHbTDuzQmw/AEMQ+UhGJjp+WpEdavY6wzGsmkBOK+3EgQbXZRa2WezzAFzX7lB LCj7NvDXjEej62JB6JJAs0F/rf1FzSKAY7MIGx3WnlQvaB7O2nyo3LKRWzrjnnNeOEwB SwKfGxWFY+o9+aqEwMhNwVjVpxebxO4I5RBuY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=KNkBveOx4gcL50sYfCZcWiLfF6jRTFybkpD7R1ZT+3B3FpSzPc3dO8PT1JXUP1iIR4 SFdUsjgHaa5+T/jZ2k+bgFEJiqkVbQhC3YYKiM5e2xIrXdaVDooFwAxq5tDiqUvynL9a sTtcNLkTTLcdCvtm8i9PPCdsVUUucFMYJM7CQ= Received: by 10.220.18.207 with SMTP id x15mr458176vca.38.1301662206770; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.88.140 with SMTP id a12ls340319vcm.5.p; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.208 with SMTP id by16mr863755vdb.11.1301662205690; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.208 with SMTP id by16mr863754vdb.11.1301662205673; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f180.google.com (mail-qy0-f180.google.com [209.85.216.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d11si376034vby.5.2011.04.01.05.50.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.180; Received: by mail-qy0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 10so2741286qyk.11 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.23.77 with SMTP id q13mr3352285qcb.172.1301662205215; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.216.7 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 05:50:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <90e6ba6e8deaddbccd049fdac56c@google.com> References: <90e6ba6e8deaddbccd049fdac56c@google.com> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 08:50:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] What is the Lojban word for...... From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636831a145c14ca049fdad9bc --001636831a145c14ca049fdad9bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But again, the x1 of jivna is only a competitor (one of the participants of the auction, in this case). That's why the x1 of jinga is better for the winner. (And mine is aligned with vecnu) --gejyspa On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:44 AM, wrote: > I would prefer {jvive'u} with > > {ko'a jvive'u ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} > > meaning > {ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jivna ko'u ku'o ko'o} > > In English: > > "x1=v1 sells-on-auction x2=v2 to x3=v3=j1 for price x4=v4 > with-other-competors x5=j2" > > so "the auction" would be {lo nu jvive'u} "the winner" is {lo te jvive'u} > > The reason for my preference is that an auction is a special form of sale, > so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easier to remember. > > P.S. BTW, I found that try to write the lojban gloss greatly helps when > trying to create lujvo! > > > > On , Michael Turniansky wrote: > > I like it very much. However, your definition is slightly off. Since > you want to denote the WINNER of the competition in your definition, I would > go with jinga instead. (jigve'u= > > v1 auctions v2=j2 to v3=j1 for cost v4 at auction j4 (over competitors > j5, if you must)), making the actual auction itself xeljigve'u) > > > > > > --gejyspa > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Ross Ogilvie oges007@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > coi > > > > I don't have much experience coining words, but I thought I'd have a go. > > > > What about something based on {vecnu} = sells and {jivna} = competes ? > > > > jvive'u => v1 auctions v2=j4 to v3=j1 for cost v4 > > > > > > > > > > and then to translate "I attended the auction of the house" it would be { > mi zvati lonu jvive'u lo zdani }. What do people think? > > > > Also, is your name Sam Spade or Greg? uinai > > > > mu'o mi'e ros > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Sam Spade samspade10@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > auction ? > > > > > > > > (as in, where people bid cash for an item) > > > > > > > > I couldn't find it in any of the dictionaries or on google. > > > > > > > > I've left the thread title open for future use :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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=A0 But again, the x1 of jivna is only a competitor (= one of the participants of the auction, in this case).=A0 That's why th= e x1 of jinga is better for the winner. (And mine is aligned with vecnu)
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On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:44 AM, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
I would prefer {jvive'u} wit= h

{ko'a jvive'u ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u}
meaning
{ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jivna ko'u ku'o ko= 'o}

In English:

"x1=3Dv1 sells-on-auction x2=3Dv2 to= x3=3Dv3=3Dj1 for price x4=3Dv4 with-other-competors x5=3Dj2"

s= o "the auction" would be {lo nu jvive'u} "the winner&quo= t; is {lo te jvive'u}

The reason for my preference is that an auction is a special form of sa= le, so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easier to remember.
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P.S. BTW, I found that try to write the lojban gloss greatly helps when= trying to create lujvo!=20



On , Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wro= te:
> =A0 I like it very much.=A0 However, your definition is slightl= y off.=A0 Since you want to denote the WINNER of the competition in your de= finition, I would go with=A0 jinga instead.=A0 (jigve'u=3D
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