From lojban-beginners+bncCK7Yk5CUCxDnp9fsBBoED5GXOQ@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 01 06:32:53 2011 Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5eSu-0002LU-SV; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:52 -0700 Received: by vxc33 with SMTP id 33sf1289563vxc.16 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:message-id:date:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VcgyOeMELKAgEQchu9fPZtmyi1nItb299vnXK+6ZNV0=; b=iG8Dq92k7rwuA2UaEe2UqBVSmet9dQuDxJS4uumNwzxKjfWVVuYR1wxW8cXeYVjG7x iThI8K7mfvGiF4IjgZ4T7oIbLfWPJrLOn6WrZpceOkB9CJ07s2d/ukHsIyuZvY8Ey6zA 34xl7AEDct6TIGSfmICGoCLHrFNA7Eg+no4rw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:message-id:date :subject:from:to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=B/s1B/ygclGQiru1xjAEj6MgML+Pj+Ms463IccLKcZLFR/SrDqxrcwpvHYIwxQ4GfX aJZMZTvjAf9BaUMwq4TWOVmnSgumuflitcyqbP/t2jCNtcGLfxPxB16I33lbPAngVVR9 xgqawQPkHKU+P+B8nhmweo0DWj0qnQubh5yQw= Received: by 10.220.18.67 with SMTP id v3mr469725vca.35.1301664743919; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.100.195 with SMTP id z3ls1055094vcn.2.p; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.201.204 with SMTP id fb12mr911462vcb.16.1301664742503; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.201.204 with SMTP id fb12mr911461vcb.16.1301664742465; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f197.google.com (mail-qy0-f197.google.com [209.85.216.197]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l8si176987vcs.2.2011.04.01.06.32.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.197 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.197; Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so2077650qyk.0 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.123.134 with SMTP id p6mr996031vcr.0.1301664741095; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 06:32:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <0016e68ee9a282852e049fdb70a8@google.com> Date: Fri, 01 Apr 2011 13:32:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] What is the Lojban word for...... From: rdentato@gmail.com To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.197 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68ee9a2828518049fdb70a5 --0016e68ee9a2828518049fdb70a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes I guess I was put off by {xeljigve'u}. {ko'a jigve'u ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} would be {ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jinga ko'e ko'u ku'o ko'o} ? (Sorry I'm not sur about the verb "to auction" in English, does it mean "sell in an auction"?) On , Michael Turniansky wrote: > But again, the x1 of jivna is only a competitor (one of the participants > of the auction, in this case). That's why the x1 of jinga is better for > the winner. (And mine is aligned with vecnu) > --gejyspa > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:44 AM, rdentato@gmail.com> wrote: > I would prefer {jvive'u} with > {ko'a jvive'u ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} > meaning > {ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jivna ko'u ku'o ko'o} > In English: > "x1=v1 sells-on-auction x2=v2 to x3=v3=j1 for price x4=v4 > with-other-competors x5=j2" > so "the auction" would be {lo nu jvive'u} "the winner" is {lo te jvive'u} > The reason for my preference is that an auction is a special form of > sale, so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easier to remember. > PS BTW, I found that try to write the lojban gloss greatly helps when > trying to create lujvo! > On , Michael Turniansky mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > > I like it very much. However, your definition is slightly off. Since > you want to denote the WINNER of the competition in your definition, I > would go with jinga instead. (jigve'u= > > v1 auctions v2=j2 to v3=j1 for cost v4 at auction j4 (over competitors > j5, if you must)), making the actual auction itself xeljigve'u) > > > > > > --gejyspa > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Ross Ogilvie oges007@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > coi > > > > I don't have much experience coining words, but I thought I'd have a go. > > > > What about something based on {vecnu} = sells and {jivna} = competes ? > > > > jvive'u => v1 auctions v2=j4 to v3=j1 for cost v4 > > > > > > > > > > and then to translate "I attended the auction of the house" it would be > { mi zvati lonu jvive'u lo zdani }. What do people think? > > > > Also, is your name Sam Spade or Greg? uinai > > > > mu'o mi'e ros > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Sam Spade samspade10@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > auction ? > > > > > > > > (as in, where people bid cash for an item) > > > > > > > > I couldn't find it in any of the dictionaries or on google. > > > > > > > > I've left the thread title open for future use :-) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e68ee9a2828518049fdb70a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess I was put off by {xeljigve'u}.

{ko'a jigve'u= ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u}

would be

{ko= 9;a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jinga ko'e ko'u ku'o ko'o}<= br />
?

(Sorry I'm not sur about the verb "to auct= ion" in English, does it mean "sell in an auction"?)

On , Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0 But again, the x1 of jivna is only a competitor (one of the parti= cipants of the auction, in this case).=A0 That's why the x1 of jinga is= better for the winner. (And mine is aligned with vecnu)
>
&g= t;
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
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> On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:44 AM= , rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I would prefer {jvive&= #39;u} with
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> {ko'a jvive'u ko'e ko'i ko= 'o ko'u}
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> meaning
> {ko'= ;a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jivna ko'u ku'o ko'o}
> =
> In English:
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> "x1=3Dv1 sells-on-auction = x2=3Dv2 to x3=3Dv3=3Dj1 for price x4=3Dv4 with-other-competors x5=3Dj2"= ;
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> so "the auction" would be {lo nu jvive'= ;u} "the winner" is {lo te jvive'u}
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> The reason for my preference is that an auction is a special form of= sale, so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easier to remember.<= br />>
> P.S. BTW, I found that try to write the lojban gloss g= reatly helps when trying to create lujvo!
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> =
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> On , Michael Turniansky mturnia= nsky@gmail.com> wrote:
> > =A0 I like it very much.=A0 Howeve= r, your definition is slightly off.=A0 Since you want to denote the WINNER = of the competition in your definition, I would go with=A0 jinga instead.=A0= (jigve'u=3D
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> > v1 auctions v2=3Dj2 to v3=3Dj1 f= or cost v4 at auction j4 (over competitors j5, if you must)), making the ac= tual auction itself xeljigve'u)
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> >
&g= t; > =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa
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&g= t; >
> > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Ross Ogilvie oges00= 7@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > coi
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> > I don't have much experience coining words, bu= t I thought I'd have a go.
> >
> > What about so= mething based on {vecnu} =3D sells and {jivna} =3D competes ?
> >= ;
> > jvive'u =3D> v1 auctions v2=3Dj4 to v3=3Dj1 for co= st v4
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> >
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> > and then to translate "I attended the auction of = the house" it would be { mi zvati lonu jvive'u lo zdani }. What do= people think?
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> > Also, is your name Sam Spade = or Greg? uinai
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> > mu'o mi'e = ros
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&g= t; >
> > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Sam Spade samspade1= 0@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > auction ?
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> >
> &= gt;
> > (as in, where people bid cash for an item)
> &g= t;
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> > I couldn't find it i= n any of the dictionaries or on google.
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> >
>= ; >
> >
> > I've left the thread title open = for future use :-)
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> > Thanks,
> > > > Greg
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