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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Thoughts on the website and resources To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <1173657b-9cac-45b4-85a6-e0dddaea07d4@b13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 98.139.44.192 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > Totus, are there any parts of the site I could help to maintain > without knowledge of Lojban at this stage? I can only let you know what I do.=A0 For me naintenance means mostly=20 things like checking if the links are still there, restoring them if=20 appropriate, reviewing the English-language text (or other natural=20 language), checking for attachments that may have been planted by=20 outsiders, letting Robin=A0know via the IRC if a page is broken, changing= =20 appearnace/format to make it look better (e.g. adding a photo) etc. None of these things require knowledge of Lojban. For something like the news on the Lojban-language home page,=20 I do my best in Lojban and then ask an experienced Lojbanist to=20 review it before putting it on.=A0 Seems to work. >=20 > I also noticed a user suggestion on one of the podcasts to design a > teacher's pack for Lojban. This sounds like a great idea to me. If > there are some other teachers here - and a least one person who can do > basic DTP - then I'd be willing to at least discuss a team project in > that area. Hopefully, someone else will comment on this.=A0 My own comment:=20 Don't start a project unless you quite sure that you will finish it.=A0 The= wiki=20 is full of incomplete projects, many of which died because something=20 more intersting came along. totus >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 31, 7:33=A0pm, "red&white" wrote: > > Thank you for the feedback. As a working parent myself, I understand > > the constraints on time. I wish I could do more to help but I=92m still > > at the stage of learning =93Yes please=94 and =93No thank you=94 right = now. In > > the future, I=92d like to start a blog based around learning Lojban, > > though. > > > > From what I=92ve seen there are two motivating factors for learning > > Lojban. One is the idea of learning/experimenting with a totally > > logical language. The other is the idea of laying the foundations for > > a potential international language. > > > > Even if that second goal won=92t be realised - at least not in our > > lifetime - I still find it intriguing and it=92s to that end that I > > offered my thoughts on the web site and how it might be made even > > better. > > > > I think social media would be a great way forward, more promotion on > > Facebook, maybe a word of the day on Twitter, more use of youtube > > vids,etc. The podcast was ahead of its time,w hat a shame it was > > stopped after three episodes. I understand this all takes effort and > > time though. > > > > Thanks again for letting me share my thoughts as a new user and if I > > can be of any help, please let me know. > > Greg > > > > On Mar 31, 1:07=A0am, "A. PIEKARSKI" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 01:34:45AM -0700, red&white wrote: > > > > > The front website is very helpful but I noticed that a lot of the > > > > > resources are disjointed and many are outdated. For example, the > > > > > audio section has lots of links, some are now dead=A0 or > > > > > unavailable. Perhaps it would be best to centralise all the links > > > > > and clear up the dead links? > > > > > > It's a wiki; feel free.=A0 My apologies if that seems abrupt, but > > > > we're all unpaid volunteers here, and most of us have very full > > > > personal lives.=A0 The reason that sort of thing isn't getting done= is > > > > (tautologically) because no-one's doing it, and not because anyone > > > > thinks it's a bad idea or something. > > > > > > You may want to talk to totus, aka A. PIEKARSKI; he's the one who > > > > does most of the site upkeep sort of stuff these days. > > > > > There are just too many pages for anyone person to maintain. > > > I focus my attention on what I refer to as the 'marketing' pages - > > > those that are likely to be seen by casual visitors or 'maybe- > > > I'm-interested' visitors. > > > > > So I review and update (as best I can) the following p[ages: > > > - Home (in English and Lojban) > > > - News (in English and Lojban) > > > - About > > > - What Others Say > > > - FAQ > > > - Learning > > > - The LLG > > > - Contact Us > > > > > I've also been looking for volunteers to translate the Home page > > > into other big languages. That's just about done, though we still nee= d > > > someone for Arabic. > > > > > And, yes, it would be just great if some else 'took ownership' > > > of some of the other pages. > > > > > mu'o mi'e .totus. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= =20 >"Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to=20 >lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at=20 >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.