From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARCQ-KDtBBoEeFRoug@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 15 05:37:54 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QAiHW-0004Dd-A8; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:54 -0700 Received: by wwb13 with SMTP id 13sf2826064wwb.16 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=SEGFl7OdxPXfLf9fgRP6pnY9yv/Q6wRwbDOYwL3FRjk=; b=c+s3UPfWotVAzzu/6TyhjFsyYff4lTxrSXEUn+X54sZN8shCGwhe9pr1WbyP6hgu64 Ym8Q/nG2F13L/jbNfbV6ojWVuSIZfEX6jDkElLcrmYAGwWys0ihUEDUotu0bdElzAOzs K/0aDCyDwdAnC2JvmD7AUlI3OcrTvHVGbkxzA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=UOCReWsec3vsk+/rvuc9q276l0vA9mENjk4xegx3CmMHCXo/605A3Kx/mhO3T8Zbk2 NyQ5+ub7VuXmC3uf9Gfxr4HsaApCTVARkvhBVDqDHeeVobgK5+RVFvDT4nCVmbrD4S5z 9m4fr50BB8jADutfvcfHV0sYRo4uqXCqHm0sE= Received: by 10.216.235.210 with SMTP id u60mr199600weq.2.1302871056995; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.49.69 with SMTP id w47ls227990web.2.gmail; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.209.18 with SMTP id r18mr140013weo.10.1302871055782; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.209.18 with SMTP id r18mr140012weo.10.1302871055742; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f50.google.com (mail-ww0-f50.google.com [74.125.82.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si372364weq.15.2011.04.15.05.37.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.50; Received: by mail-ww0-f50.google.com with SMTP id 33so2786184wwc.19 for ; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.145.134 with SMTP id p6mr945415wej.112.1302871055255; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.244.10 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Apr 2011 05:37:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <763760.31474.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20110414154715.GC19800@alice.local> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 08:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Programming in lojbanistan From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d647f06fc8fd04a0f44e08 --0016e6d647f06fc8fd04a0f44e08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 If you're really just looking for the logical meaning, it's ganai and ganai only. {go} would imply some sort of check on the thing coming up afterward, which doesn't make sense. As for elseif blocks, you could perhaps do this with {cei}?: ganai ... cei broda gi brode ga broda gi'enai brodi cei broda gi brodo etc. Ugly though. mu'o mi'e .latros. On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> Some others: >> try >> string >> less than >> greater than >> function >> method >> class >> field >> return >> static >> private >> public >> (and finally, the one that will probably generate the most jbodau), >> if/elseif/else >> > > The "if" of programming languages isn't the same as the "if" of natlangs. > For one thing, programming "if" has exactly one meaning, the logical > meaning. The only debate is which of go, gu'o, ganai, and gu'anai is the > best to use. I'm pretty sure go is it. {go xy. mecla li mu go xy snicne > .ybu} "if (x<5) then x=y" > > Don't know how to do else, though. > > >> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Johan Pretorius wrote: >> >>> So to get practical, lets start making a list of the words that are >>> meant, and see if there are some translations: >>> >>> Variable >>> While Loop >>> For Loop >>> Bit >>> Byte >>> Boolean >>> Binary >>> Binary Arithmetic >>> Bitwise >>> Array >>> Integer >>> Floating point value (float, for short) >>> recursion >>> Infinite loop >>> Infinite recursion >>> Exception >>> Catch block >>> Static initializer >>> Constructor (zbasu?) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, .alyn.post. < >>> alyn.post@lodockikumazvati.org> wrote: >>> >>>> That is almost but not quite programming terminology. I found that >>>> document useful and necessary but incomplete when trying to write >>>> programs with Lojban variable names. There is a distinct set of >>>> terms that apply to programming that don't apply to using one's >>>> computer. >>>> >>>> -Alan >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 08:28:37AM -0700, A. Piekarski wrote: >>>> > There's probably more somewhere, but have you seen this: >>>> > [1]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Computer+terminology >>>> > >>>> > totus >>>> > >>>> > From: .arpis. >>>> > To: Lojban Beginners >>>> > Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 11:03:28 AM >>>> > Subject: [lojban-beginners] Programming in lojbanistan >>>> > I can't imagine this hasn't been discussed, but I haven't found >>>> any >>>> > resources about the lojban terms that would be used to talk about >>>> > programming (and what variables/keywords/etc should be). >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > mu'o mi'e .arpis. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>> Google >>>> > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> > >>>> > References >>>> > >>>> > Visible links >>>> > 1. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Computer+terminology >>>> >>>> -- >>>> .i ma'a lo bradi ku penmi gi'e du >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Johan Pretorius >>> Cell: 0829268327 >>> pretoriusjf@gmail.com >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu > do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d647f06fc8fd04a0f44e08 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you're really just looking for the logical meaning, it's ganai a= nd ganai only. {go} would imply some sort of check on the thing coming up a= fterward, which doesn't make sense.

As for elseif blocks, you co= uld perhaps do this with {cei}?:
ganai ... cei broda gi brode
ga broda gi'enai brodi cei broda gi bro= do
etc. Ugly though.

mu'o mi'e .latros.

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>= wrote:


On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 9:54 PM, Luke Bergen &l= t;lukeabergen@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Some others:
try
string
less than
<= div>greater than
function
method
class
<= div>field
return
static
private
public
(and finally, the one that will probably generate the most jbodau= ), if/elseif/else

The "if" of pr= ogramming languages isn't the same as the "if" of natlangs. F= or one thing, programming "if" has exactly one meaning, the logic= al meaning. The only debate is which of go, gu'o, ganai, and gu'ana= i is the best to use. I'm pretty sure go is it. {go xy. mecla li mu go = xy snicne .ybu} "if (x<5) then x=3Dy"

Don't know how to do else, though.
=A0
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Johan Pretorius <pretoriusjf@gmail.c= om> wrote:
So to get practical, lets start making a lis= t of the words that are meant, and see if there are some translations:

Variable
While Loop
For Loop
Bit
Byte
Boolean
Binary<= br>Binary Arithmetic
Bitwise
Array
Integer
Floating point value (float, for short)
recursionInfinite loop
Infinite recursion
Exception
Catch block
Static = initializer
Constructor (zbasu?)




On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 11:47 AM, .alyn.post. <alyn.post@lodo= ckikumazvati.org> wrote:
That is almost but not quite programming terminology.=A0 I found that
document useful and necessary but incomplete when trying to write
programs with Lojban variable names. =A0There is a distinct set of
terms that apply to programming that don't apply to using one's
computer.

-Alan

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 08:28:37AM -0700, A. Piekarski wrote:
> =A0 =A0There's probably more somewhere, but have you seen this:
> =A0 =A0[1]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Computer+terminology=
>
> =A0 =A0totus
>
> =A0 =A0 =A0From: .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>
> =A0 =A0 =A0To: Lojban Beginners <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com&= gt;
> =A0 =A0 =A0Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 11:03:28 AM
> =A0 =A0 =A0Subject: [lojban-beginners] Programming in lojbanistan
> =A0 =A0 =A0I can't imagine this hasn't been discussed, but I h= aven't found any
> =A0 =A0 =A0resources about the lojban terms that would be used to talk= about
> =A0 =A0 =A0programming (and what variables/keywords/etc should be). >
> =A0 =A0 =A0--
> =A0 =A0 =A0mu'o mi'e .arpis.
>
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