From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhDltdfsBBoEqbkS9Q@googlegroups.com Fri Apr 01 07:02:39 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Q5evm-0007xW-A7; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:38 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf1305501vws.16 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=eyvti1qT6TvxTyvn7EpYXBP2KFCSZ7NbYqjXje8KoJo=; b=KVOhSBvAkgZBPAynttydBDtBMMqtW5IYzN+auzh7E3q7+f7nLCx6jjeB10lEp58eEN tEExuZ4j+MtY8b6ak1/5Tv4HHV7MKmUBdSN7guShH4Vp2npQJ6xN2dyFRlC1AY/B18vx ElU0/8Y5a+mWR97xd8OeJd+iucFYMeyZdprJo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=gg2k23jGXwA+Hoixv39PCRFqZdkYF1JLB+fTFJ1lD+9xzb8wyNeHwaQB2z9palg9Ko dS9sj0tH6A4bQ57pu9RmdUYGohjbO1SvSKI3XvmH4skJ/6yaIWR3wwmht5qYSn2UsD7y kO3spyM1im58r0/a1Fva9qSq9yHH0/up6bC1Q= Received: by 10.220.18.67 with SMTP id v3mr478413vca.35.1301666533681; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.113.208 with SMTP id b16ls676672vcq.0.p; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.208 with SMTP id by16mr878686vdb.11.1301666532710; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.90.208 with SMTP id by16mr878683vdb.11.1301666532652; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f44.google.com (mail-qw0-f44.google.com [209.85.216.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8si178841vdt.7.2011.04.01.07.02.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.44; Received: by qwg5 with SMTP id 5so2100582qwg.3 for ; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.205.138 with SMTP id fq10mr3434886qab.91.1301666531265; Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.216.7 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Apr 2011 07:02:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0016e68ee9a282852e049fdb70a8@google.com> References: <0016e68ee9a282852e049fdb70a8@google.com> Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 10:02:11 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: Re: [lojban-beginners] What is the Lojban word for...... From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf300fab19364b0a049fdbdb7b --20cf300fab19364b0a049fdbdb7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:32 AM, wrote: > I guess I was put off by {xeljigve'u}. > > {ko'a jigve'u ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} > > would be > > {ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jinga ko'e ko'u ku'o ko'o} > > Yes. I'm sorry. In my original, when I wrote "j5" I MEANT "j3". > ? > > (Sorry I'm not sur about the verb "to auction" in English, does it mean > "sell in an auction"?) > > Well, yes and no. To "auction off" refers to the process, not the result. "To sell at auction to X" would describe the result better. --gejyspa > > > On , Michael Turniansky wrote: > > But again, the x1 of jivna is only a competitor (one of the > participants of the auction, in this case). That's why the x1 of jinga is > better for the winner. (And mine is aligned with vecnu) > > > > > > --gejyspa > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 8:44 AM, rdentato@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I would prefer {jvive'u} with > > > > {ko'a jvive'u ko'e ko'i ko'o ko'u} > > > > > > meaning > > {ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jivna ko'u ku'o ko'o} > > > > In English: > > > > "x1=v1 sells-on-auction x2=v2 to x3=v3=j1 for price x4=v4 > with-other-competors x5=j2" > > > > so "the auction" would be {lo nu jvive'u} "the winner" is {lo te jvive'u} > > > > > > The reason for my preference is that an auction is a special form of > sale, so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easier to remember. > > > > P.S. BTW, I found that try to write the lojban gloss greatly helps when > trying to create lujvo! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On , Michael Turniansky mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I like it very much. However, your definition is slightly off. > Since you want to denote the WINNER of the competition in your definition, I > would go with jinga instead. (jigve'u= > > > > > v1 auctions v2=j2 to v3=j1 for cost v4 at auction j4 (over competitors > j5, if you must)), making the actual auction itself xeljigve'u) > > > > > > > > > --gejyspa > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 5:43 AM, Ross Ogilvie oges007@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > coi > > > > > > I don't have much experience coining words, but I thought I'd have a > go. > > > > > > What about something based on {vecnu} = sells and {jivna} = competes ? > > > > > > jvive'u => v1 auctions v2=j4 to v3=j1 for cost v4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and then to translate "I attended the auction of the house" it would be > { mi zvati lonu jvive'u lo zdani }. What do people think? > > > > > > Also, is your name Sam Spade or Greg? uinai > > > > > > > > mu'o mi'e ros > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Sam Spade samspade10@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > auction ? > > > > > > > > > > > > (as in, where people bid cash for an item) > > > > > > > > > > > > I couldn't find it in any of the dictionaries or on google. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've left the thread title open for future use :-) > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > > > > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > > > > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 9:32 AM, <rdentato@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess I was put off by {xeljig= ve'u}.

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{ko'a vecnu ko'e ko'i poi jinga ko'e ko= 'u ku'o ko'o}

=A0 Yes. I'm sorry. In my original, when I wrote "j5" I = MEANT "j3".
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On , Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>> =A0 But again, the x1 of jivna is only a competitor (one of the par= ticipants of the auction, in this case).=A0 That's why the x1 of jinga = is better for the winner. (And mine is aligned with vecnu)
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> so "the auction" would be {lo nu jvive'u} &= quot;the winner" is {lo te jvive'u}
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> The reason for my preference is that an auction is a= special form of sale, so having it aligned with {vecnu} would make it easi= er to remember.
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> On , Michael Tur= niansky mturnian= sky@gmail.com> wrote:
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