From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBC2g7rtBBoEPMhDvA@googlegroups.com Tue Apr 19 23:49:47 2011 Received: from mail-ew0-f61.google.com ([209.85.215.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCREL-00015D-DQ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:49:47 -0700 Received: by ewy5 with SMTP id 5sf37096ewy.16 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:49:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=oW902NyTKA64Axjj/EnzkS0d2h1iwcbgGmJsRIfEf/I=; b=D0V3NsrFZa8ivydS5bAwg8Bz1go1LXiXcLculRTa9wYQjvqBUOHOMM+9kGoO0V49aQ G1f+807PVm+1f2jnAYOM0pT+vlS+c/IdvGMPl05UmK5yUw/nNydjIq+0NFvKMEo3Uqu6 gLIw1lQvP67UsZcm1CQLMIJePpjs94Rhe/WfA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=wCuOIAR36SVFSGWPafqGjfr8GD2SQMfoVSGi+cio1Ku5Ul+qnSqVaqxNkzvMCWE/Dl Rh8xOHmI+UL+ekJaX0rxnR8QCQRVrnI638E9Bx+v1H1472k6/H/NLySNV8Af4s5kI+3s ivNt0lFp4Zz31wdZmiEMAv1kD3g02fAX8nVRw= Received: by 10.213.2.200 with SMTP id 8mr233165ebk.1.1303282102106; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.11.92 with SMTP id 68ls132660eew.4.gmail; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.36.30 with SMTP id v30mr400203eea.2.1303282100820; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.36.30 with SMTP id v30mr400202eea.2.1303282100766; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f179.google.com (mail-ey0-f179.google.com [209.85.215.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l57si220217eei.0.2011.04.19.23.48.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.179; Received: by mail-ey0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 5so127022eyg.10 for ; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.33.83 with SMTP id g19mr142018ebd.17.1303282100523; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.4.9 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> References: <7e5bdd6d-4bb8-415e-b50f-6a0d3e5454b4@e8g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> From: Luke Bergen Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 02:48:00 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Why is CAhA a tense/modal? To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3b6aa4d50c04a15402ad --0015174c3b6aa4d50c04a15402ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 CAhA is a TAG so it works in at lot of the same ways that the other modals/tenses do. Just because something is syntacticly possible doesn't mean that it has to be semantically useful. The way that I have come to think of tags is that they add tense-like information to the selbri and then since tense-like information is only useful if you know what the anchor point is, you follow the tag with a sumti to describe, for example, what {broda} is {ba} TO. {mi citka ba lo nu mi xagji} is saying that I eat in the future. The future to what? To that time when I am hungry. Therefore, I eat in the future of the event of I am hungry. So as to what {broda ka'e lo nu brode} means... I don't know. An event that happens "in the future" is "in the future" TO some other event. The selbri is an "innate capability" in reference to what? Maybe the entity that is {ka'e}. {citka lo muno sovda ka'e la .luk.} -> {citka lo muno sovda} is {ka'e}. {ka'e} to what? To {la .luk.}. i.e. {la .luk. kakne lo nu citka lo muno sovda}. I dunno... that's how it would make the most sense to me. But it's late and I'm sleepy so if I'm off please forgive my ramblings. One of the jbocre will be along to set us straight shortly. On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:01 AM, ianek wrote: > coi > Modals and tenses tend to be used in two main ways: {do'e broda} and > {broda do'e ko'a}. But CAhA don't seem to work in the latter way. > What would {broda ca'a ko'a} or {broda ka'e ko'a} mean? > > mu'o mi'e ianek > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174c3b6aa4d50c04a15402ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable CAhA is a TAG so it works in at lot of the same ways that the other modals/= tenses do. =A0Just because something is syntacticly possible doesn't me= an that it has to be semantically useful.

The way that I= have come to think of tags is that they add tense-like information to the = selbri and then since tense-like information is only useful if you know wha= t the anchor point is, you follow the tag with a sumti to describe, for exa= mple, what {broda} is {ba} TO. =A0{mi citka ba lo nu mi xagji} is saying th= at I eat in the future. =A0The future to what? =A0To that time when I am hu= ngry. =A0Therefore, I eat in the future of the event of I am hungry.

So as to what {broda ka'e lo nu brode} means... I d= on't know. =A0An event that happens "in the future" is "= in the future" TO some other event. =A0The selbri is an "innate= =A0capability" in reference to what? =A0Maybe the entity that is {ka&#= 39;e}. =A0{citka lo muno sovda ka'e la .luk.} -> {citka lo muno sovd= a} is {ka'e}. =A0{ka'e} to what? =A0To {la .luk.}. =A0i.e. {la .luk= . kakne lo nu citka lo muno sovda}. =A0I dunno... that's how it would m= ake the most sense to me. =A0But=A0it's late and I'm sleepy so if I= 'm off please forgive my ramblings. =A0One of the jbocre will be along = to set us straight shortly.

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:01 AM, ianek = <janek37@gmail.co= m> wrote:
coi
Modals and tenses tend to be used in two main ways: {do'e broda} and {broda do'e ko'a}. But CAhA don't seem to work in the latter wa= y.
What would {broda ca'a ko'a} or {broda ka'e ko'a} mean?

mu'o mi'e ianek

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