From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhCehLztBBoEAKAFTw@googlegroups.com Wed Apr 20 08:56:28 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QCZlR-0001fB-38; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:28 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf1203966qyk.16 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=idRE541fWz1OJl52hOneVAIx91hSIizoypetYQVSuzU=; b=rrrK+QREXqFMxjTd7tvcOcrDWhvVJuDfid7+R2Ey9s16xmdWGEQr9La53Czw4v8JBL 2m7Xj5ebwc3eIZm5YT2zTzKa1gJgYSSyIoO58itbmc7En9BVnKDX8HWNPfQIH6ngR0XJ /SjUKeGPDOlE2rK7f5RiOGVLR97tU8fCQQJCA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=FNHhMr+JFJKNpnJ/4G9DOt0/1kI22Vu1UpFRPkDTOdfWOndyo7NXSbOgr71kc4qQzP ZdUux5St4GDjLwSK/FcwNwuu/2djUnbMu/BVGZ9FhIBXILlCKiy6dyXoofc2LZ3QPfjH zQMRo0dJ8Feag/+i74h1X2dQzbMqXAdFPopSE= Received: by 10.229.88.147 with SMTP id a19mr626326qcm.26.1303314974113; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:14 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.69.21 with SMTP id x21ls498473qci.2.gmail; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.0.205 with SMTP id 13mr536496qcc.15.1303314972434; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.0.205 with SMTP id 13mr536495qcc.15.1303314972403; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o12si209646qcu.2.2011.04.20.08.56.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.54; Received: by mail-qw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 9so808751qwc.27 for ; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.203.193 with SMTP id fj1mr4358102qab.226.1303314972099; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.28.203 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Apr 2011 08:56:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <55e97578-888a-4f10-9bb2-c482ed625361@s3g2000vbf.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:56:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] "th" sounds in Lojban From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf30051232f1468804a15ba953 --20cf30051232f1468804a15ba953 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Continuing what {latros} said, your question is similar to asking, "How would you write the 'th' in Russian?" On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > (I may have misunderstood your question, though.) > > > On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> They're not morphologically permitted, because so few languages have them. >> If you want to make them, you're going to have to do it inside ZOI. >> >> mu'o mi'e .latros. >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Greendogo wrote: >> >>> Hey, I was wondering how someone would write the "th" sounds of "then" >>> and "thin" (respectively) in Lojbanic orthography without substituting >>> the ' (h sound). >>> >>> I wish someone had taken into account that "th" sounds are very >>> beautiful. >>> >>> Personally, my orthography would have used "x" for the "th" sound in >>> "thin" and "dx" for the "th" sound in "then". I would have then used >>> "h" for the guttural sound that "x" is now used for. >>> >>> I don't know why, but the two "th" sounds are probably my favorite >>> sounds that the human mouth can produce. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >>> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --20cf30051232f1468804a15ba953 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Continuing what {latros} said, your question is similar to asking, "Ho= w would you write the 'th' in Russian?"

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ian Johnson = <blindbravado@gmail.com>= ; wrote:
(I may have misunderstood your question, th= ough.)


= On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com= > wrote:
They're not morphologically permitted, b= ecause so few languages have them. If you want to make them, you're goi= ng to have to do it inside ZOI.

mu'o mi'e .latros.


On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 2:35 AM, Greendogo <= ;pcm1123@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, I was wondering how someone would write= the "th" sounds of "then"
and "thin" (respectively) in Lojbanic orthography without substit= uting
the ' (h sound).

I wish someone had taken into account that "th" sounds are very beautiful.

Personally, my orthography would have used "x" for the "th&q= uot; sound in
"thin" and "dx" for the "th" sound in "t= hen". =A0I would have then used
"h" for the guttural sound that "x" is now used for.
I don't know why, but the two "th" sounds are probably my fav= orite
sounds that the human mouth can produce.

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