From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhCf9anuBBoEZabidQ@googlegroups.com Wed May 11 05:01:49 2011 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QK86r-0003Ej-Ia; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:49 -0700 Received: by yxd5 with SMTP id 5sf797553yxd.16 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=g/rqYPOL9qljkqlF5MVAnVv6/3gcsDaVxGbNSnPf6HE=; b=eQAfLVB4PeVB2xEfwn9d+MESKtVVV4VXZnyedJ2kXm1YOA7lTdJNZX6xpI06c2ns0f UD7COdoh4tk28AsooOlPL/vaiSso0SALzqNn9m6AIcENV3nCTUUZNLS8cXYzkMSW6sxV 4It1T0RtQKOKFI34tMlTyS3wjUscmp7yQS1R8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=mOdgNke1I1Ilv8/YrEl7EtRzCazYBmgVv6vEiBNsfMfvpkwZlecxj0cg3Th80wR04i VY3dwGHhzPQdj2kYb17h7g5XzH32GysZDRRdAoDuOPJBt1BkCk9u4xyw1ebH1XNJ1hs1 0EkXH9ejfReSKUuLreVTgnh1/OIboduXs/LWo= Received: by 10.91.126.20 with SMTP id d20mr182481agn.15.1305115295645; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.248.11 with SMTP id v11ls227676agh.7.gmail; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.51.9 with SMTP id d9mr4502639agk.29.1305115294713; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.51.9 with SMTP id d9mr4502637agk.29.1305115294680; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c20si2629796ana.3.2011.05.11.05.01.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.173; Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36so2618019qyk.11 for ; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.119.151 with SMTP id z23mr7004776qcq.2.1305115294415; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.62.78 with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2011 05:01:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <025af042-f0be-48ff-b7de-79434433d587@l2g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <201105062251.18981.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd5c93a83bc2404a2fed512 --000e0cd5c93a83bc2404a2fed512 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/5/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: > > > > That's right, I am saying that "lo no gerku cu broda", > > for any value of broda, asserts one thing, and one thing only, that "lo > > gerku cu nomei". > > Surely with your reasoning it also imparts the information that "lo > gerku cu pamei" and "lo gerku cu remei" and "lo gerku cu cimei", and > "lo gerku cu pai mei", and any number of other things. Why would the > predicate "no mei" impart information if none of the others do? > > > Therefore it's neither contradictory, nor meaningless, nor > > nonsense. > > Saying of something that it is nomei is kind of contradictory. > > > It does make an assertion, it does impart information (that we > > have no dogs), it just imparts it in an efficient way, and does not > impart > > any other information that it might on the surface appear to. > > I think "no gerku cu zvati [ti]" is more efficient (and more clear). > > mu'o > I mean INefficient way, sorry! --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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2011/5/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Michael Turniansky
&= lt;mturniansky@gmail.com> w= rote:
>
> That's right, I am saying that "lo no gerku = cu broda",
> for any value of broda, asserts one thing, and one thing only, that &q= uot;lo
> gerku cu nomei".

Surely with your reasonin= g it also imparts the information that "lo
gerku cu pamei" and= "lo gerku cu remei" and "lo gerku cu cimei", and
"lo gerku cu pai mei", and any number of other things. Why would = the
predicate "no mei" impart information if none of the other= s do?

> Therefore it's neither contradictory, nor me= aningless, nor
> nonsense.

Saying of something that it i= s nomei is kind of contradictory.

>=A0 It does make an assertion, it does impart inf= ormation (that we
> have no dogs), it just imparts it in an efficient= way, and does not impart
> any other information that it might on th= e surface appear to.

I think "no gerku cu zvati [ti]" is more efficient (and= more clear).

mu'o
=A0
=A0 I mean INefficient way, sorry!
=A0

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