From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhCXk9vuBBoEZC8MIg@googlegroups.com Fri May 20 13:06:48 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QNVxI-0006nI-Ju; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:06:47 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf6993645qwh.16 for ; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=nfjDITuJMQvWEHmzIXMgmgZNPEDp94RKE5yoGaUX2/c=; b=SPFC098ASrGg4G/c966wJ2Vwg6VIAsrf4dG93wNPkbJ7lR5V5N/6IYez3HuZrtPBzy q7ChcEgKvvuPFUsMi85JZMHN/QQE7/5sGG+9qQPDEaJaNvEtoiR92HL4pgK4005fHRJZ PThmNm/ibx0AYoFaifCeJ/9p2A/0Z61Sp/6m8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=656hE07Rt+XRz0/aRG0al8ALUOYKBL4jYC/wqLZKUqQDJvb2qGmIHFOxUsXPiNfGHE w4+b2iwyuJzmeLF2G2+46cUJWcxO8Ef9y7wgoNZnc0iVbX3fFCOsswXGmosTCbtOcmJW UWwLg4FM2xUXuAdIu+fw2ct0RQtGBtZHDYLHw= Received: by 10.229.41.141 with SMTP id o13mr5769qce.34.1305921943766; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.208.8 with SMTP id ga8ls846804qcb.2.gmail; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.96.198 with SMTP id i6mr13776qcn.29.1305921942952; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.96.198 with SMTP id i6mr13775qcn.29.1305921942905; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w19si2130967qco.3.2011.05.20.13.05.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.172; Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29so500209qyk.3 for ; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.71.77 with SMTP id g13mr27469qcj.116.1305921942663; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.62.78 with HTTP; Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 16:05:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Clarification of the meaning of {krefu} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64988f67f33fc04a3baa539 --0016e64988f67f33fc04a3baa539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's also a se kelci pagbu (kelpau?) for a turn, inning, etc. --gejyspa On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Maybe we could use ze'i and friends to specify the nestedness of a "round= ". > I.e in hearts you can play several "games" (ze'u) made up of several "han= ds" > (ze'a) made up of several "tricks" (ze'i) > On May 20, 2011 2:39 PM, "MorphemeAddict" wrote: > > How about a hand in a card game? A single round of players taking > individual > > turns. > > stevo > > > > > > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > > > >> Like a session? Playing a game from beginning to end? That sounds like > just > >> {LE NU kelci}, where NU is chosen based on emphasis (emphasizing > repetition > >> vs. emphasizing beginning-middle-end)? I may be misinterpreting though= . > >> > >> mu'o mi'e .latros. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn < > rpglover64@gmail.com>wrote: > >> > >>> Not what I intended. It's good to see the ambiguity. > >>> > >>> How would you describe a round of a game, as opposed to a turn (where= a > >>> turn is taken by one player, and a round can consist of turns and > generally > >>> involves some repeated component with beginning and end)? > >>> > >>> > >>> 2011/5/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >>> > >>>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn < > rpglover64@gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > That (mostly) confirms what I expected. > >>>> > > >>>> > What would you expect {lo kelci krefu} and {lo kelci se krefu} to > refer > >>>> > to/describe? > >>>> > >>>> A rematch? > >>>> > >>>> mu'o mi'e xorxes > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Alex R > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.co= m > . > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com= . > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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=A0 There's also a se kelci pagbu (kelpau?) for a= turn, inning, etc.
=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa


=A0
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gma= il.com> wrote:

Maybe we could use ze'i and friends to specify the nestedness of a &= quot;round". I.e in hearts you can play several "games" (ze&= #39;u) made up of several "hands" (ze'a) made up of several &= quot;tricks" (ze'i)

On May 20, 2011 2:39 PM, "MorphemeAddict&qu= ot; <lytlesw@gmai= l.com> wrote:
> How about a hand in a car= d game? A single round of players taking individual
> turns.
> stevo
>
>
> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at= 1:39 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Like= a session? Playing a game from beginning to end? That sounds like just
>> {LE NU kelci}, where NU is chosen based on emphasis (emphasizing r= epetition
>> vs. emphasizing beginning-middle-end)? I may be misin= terpreting though.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e .latros.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Alex Roz= enshteyn <rpgl= over64@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Not what I inten= ded. It's good to see the ambiguity.
>>>
>>> How would you describe a round of a game, as o= pposed to a turn (where a
>>> turn is taken by one player, and = a round can consist of turns and generally
>>> involves some re= peated component with beginning and end)?
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/5/20 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= ;jjllambias@gmail= .com>
>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 3:= 46 AM, Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > That (mostly) confirms wha= t I expected.
>>>> >
>>>> > What would = you expect {lo kelci krefu} and {lo kelci se krefu} to refer
>>>= ;> > to/describe?
>>>>
>>>> A rematch?
>>>>
>= >>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>>>
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