From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCut5PvBBoEA8Wf3g@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 05:14:52 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRNqR-0006AO-Py; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:52 -0700 Received: by vws2 with SMTP id 2sf2714864vws.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pi0HmK4z1BpD8LhpSoj2PwY3UVXcnr1Q2NH09GRfJ94=; b=OkJOwVvrxnXg+tZHDVGTlvpmiuNVfRlSA17zvRVJXiSaNvkNJMyru+TiNwHq/d21Ce fQYGKf8b9eDwA1dKevqn4hb5ernG5R4kml1eRKdAob3YPHCmWDYMUyi8JYbo1h7FYA0S G2ROp87Jt7Xcwq0K5Ja/FZz5gWgoDCAuczZo8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=qiB/W77MQT9CTDD0c2Uy75T6bbR41Mp/5+kejGNahiIFkBEJATo/XOALBla6yqusRx zcBGP5N/70KRip1KGQgoF98XE8D1GyTVJkyGoFwMH8LKArWcNfYxzD/oMj53iXYB1iuR 24WGQYi8ZpDzjOxjeC7f0pEV4jRdLHnja7zYw= Received: by 10.221.11.75 with SMTP id pd11mr733209vcb.35.1306844078875; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.179.138 with SMTP id dg10ls2301510vdc.2.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.92.68 with SMTP id ck4mr1905755vdb.4.1306844078059; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.92.68 with SMTP id ck4mr1905754vdb.4.1306844078048; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.220.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dz6si4541vdb.3.2011.05.31.05.14.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.169; Received: by vxk20 with SMTP id 20so4545355vxk.14 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.108.194 with SMTP id hm2mr200945vdb.233.1306844077593; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.183.129 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 05:14:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 09:14:37 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Just to double check, about {da} and quantifiers From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > 2011/5/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:48 PM, .arpis. w= rote: >>> >>> Specifically, in the restricted case, >>> (assuming there are no cat-dogs in the universe) what does {ro da poi k= e'a >>> gerku je mlatu cu broda} mean? >> >> It means: >> >> =A0 ro da zo'u ganai da gerku je mlatu gi da broda >> >> it means that whether there are cat-dogs or not. >> >>> Is it false, true, meaningless? >> >> If there are no cat-dogs, it's true, since for every value of da it >> will be false that da gerku je mlatu. > > =A0 Which is precisely why I say that every "lo no broda cu brode" > construction is also true. =A0But no one seems to believe me :,-( "Precisely why"? You are using a referring expression that doesn't refer. That's something that requires at least some explanation of some arbitratry conventions. The truth of "ro da zo'u ga naku da broda gi da brode" when "da broda" is false for every value of the variable "da" does not require any special convention. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.