From lojban-beginners+bncCIfp7ILVEBCM8pTvBBoEPrQThg@googlegroups.com Tue May 31 11:53:13 2011 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QRU3x-0008UL-1K; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:13 -0700 Received: by pxi19 with SMTP id 19sf2655627pxi.16 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MGk4wvdWpJErhKU5LdRLrGRPc5vroJ3DC/sMC3i0DKU=; b=rGeS8ADaLKjwWtjehKe62Z8iKqI49JywwnMwILu+4sGoniGG3iS+wzWDypv3rPGW8w Aij8n8B6fSzaP6PjMgplfAgTKGhINoTcMVntzLG6GmJ67yn958v/xUQ1tDIEx0R6KdBs JGcq5QWOQ3W8SFafsDJryBGZXlKfruFupfdDY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=YxqlYFcoF1TRp+8AF50e34iopHIqscgYJDQy6FzsbYQo0ILN32ocIRhiIGPknUZxBf hLJHnX6Dp7wC1zgMMvBqNCFipt0JqTzWFoCdj4lvtfKFLXSccjozV99NtMK8MpTLvK33 Ae+dN0NKODU8caifwTeWBTAQvxgwKtZB7CLlE= Received: by 10.68.27.201 with SMTP id v9mr992088pbg.31.1306867980621; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.13.233 with SMTP id k9ls3175398pbc.3.gmail; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.2 with SMTP id v2mr975638pbq.15.1306867980049; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.59.2 with SMTP id v2mr975637pbq.15.1306867980026; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f178.google.com (mail-px0-f178.google.com [209.85.212.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si300791pbi.2.2011.05.31.11.53.00 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.178; Received: by mail-px0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 25so2043272pxj.9 for ; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:53:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.65.77 with SMTP id v13mr2718381pbs.442.1306867979893; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.51.100 with HTTP; Tue, 31 May 2011 11:52:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 15:52:59 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Just to double check, about {da} and quantifiers From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Felipe_Gon=E7alves_Assis?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: felipeg.assis@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of felipeg.assis@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=felipeg.assis@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/5/30 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:48 PM, .arpis. wr= ote: >> >> Specifically, in the restricted case, >> (assuming there are no cat-dogs in the universe) what does {ro da poi ke= 'a >> gerku je mlatu cu broda} mean? > > It means: > > =A0 ro da zo'u ganai da gerku je mlatu gi da broda > > it means that whether there are cat-dogs or not. > But this contradicts the Book! The opposite is very clearly stated in Chapter 16, Section 8. I also think that this problem of reference is precisely the same of {lo no}, isn't it? >> Is it false, true, meaningless? > > If there are no cat-dogs, it's true, since for every value of da it > will be false that da gerku je mlatu. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. 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