From lojban-beginners+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC7i-XvBBoEpUEkNQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 15 16:52:40 2011 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QWzsz-0000fT-25; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:40 -0700 Received: by qyk36 with SMTP id 36sf1177324qyk.16 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ElZsdahykn9k4nMnYkz8IgN244eJoLBNQgaFN+kocR0=; b=0nM828S37xRsNF+mzMecCz4Zm2iOxxeJ0BR5ugmZ7mVyUQ+OQzCSyCoMKqZnzMjFpk DMLveT17/OYxg1XKhmAQv8W9J3/1YdRgGVoa5ZRiLrzA5HFW+hyI5LPEjehdm/jD7OyN p8N/vjiB+pfR3uhDD70BzVuWz+3hFzHt/V86U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=ln1rehXYgGA+4XXDgXdcMCjeT4YoZclpB5zQMQIEO8XkFFoSEnKaEXvN9VsZwOueZG RC+3gDa3UTzIbRfjhoR3APvqkxa0r84ByAz2EZ/iJJOP8CDa6iimAVtzPdy7YfPhOPq2 apayMvuPtUnzxsJWe+gw9RTZycV+1Fr9dk/kc= Received: by 10.229.48.136 with SMTP id r8mr20839qcf.41.1308181947346; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.67.145 with SMTP id r17ls284595qai.5.gmail; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.195.130 with SMTP id ec2mr277283qab.29.1308181946243; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.195.130 with SMTP id ec2mr277282qab.29.1308181946232; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f51.google.com (mail-vw0-f51.google.com [209.85.212.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fx39si1031558qcb.2.2011.06.15.16.52.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.51; Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20so877034vws.38 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.113.100 with SMTP id ix4mr332207vdb.223.1308181945841; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.234 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:52:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:52:25 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] More lojban kid stories. From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > Uhhhh. Yeah I figured I just didn't understand it.... could you explain i= t > to me the same way that you explained it to your kid?=A0 Then a couple > examples? This may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presupposition "na'i" is used to negate the presuppositions of an utterance, rather than the utterance itself. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.