From lojban-beginners+bncCK30vq5WENqp5e8EGgTKJUJ0@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 15 17:57:12 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QX0tQ-0008PJ-1G; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:57:12 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf721504pvc.16 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:57:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=HG/mVByDt6OvZ7bCAp1fHHInZqRrb5q5yeFmW6azQL8=; b=PMOkWr198PT6Om0pfcXdDVxf1Udo8xGgTEvVOJLUftLukVREJuDCYGHa+v8a71sah6 zmysNhPRECxQ9ckvSyqeEUPzwLv9FZwpn28Ke79OYNVmqK4whi/ix9kPaQJyKsgzAvOY pfr9lLb4Np8CbBuLIiZGaWytKoLfNZuoqEEsI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=u0Ns+h/Ss+8+BF+uTfhfrKv+wH+9O4GPDeE6EnLHxES3B5B2Ihcghx/eJqZWpCoZYq YyKdxhezsTblQlHuEtei6GMvmWE2haiWqOx6guleCZc7okSHpyOyDqwYo53yRi4nsz8r Tv9oX6K9/4kYlcij/1mJd8+PzBC5+KkTmwiAE= Received: by 10.68.4.102 with SMTP id j6mr30351pbj.42.1308185818657; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:56:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.15.3 with SMTP id t3ls369334pbc.1.gmail; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.28.41 with SMTP id y9mr45464pbg.91.1308185817926; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.28.41 with SMTP id y9mr45463pbg.91.1308185817914; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (digitalkingdom.org [173.13.139.234]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c10si2287031pbn.1.2011.06.15.17.56.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:56:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.234; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QX0tD-0008PF-UI for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:56:55 -0700 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:56:55 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] More lojban kid stories. Message-ID: <20110616005655.GS9936@digitalkingdom.org> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.234 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline It means "the question is invalid". It's the canonical example to "have you stopped beating your wife yet?". Also, and while this is criticism it's not of you specifically but at a general trend around here, when one is thinking "How do I use this Lojban cmavo?", there's this thing called the CLL? That, umm, that's sort of the *point* of it? So maybe you could check that? In this case, http://dag.github.com/cll/15/10/ , this issue is discussed rather extensively. -Robin On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 06:51:33PM -0400, Luke Bergen wrote: > Uhhhh. Yeah I figured I just didn't understand it.... could you > explain it to me the same way that you explained it to your kid? > Then a couple examples? > > On Jun 15, 2011 5:05 PM, "Michael Turniansky" wrote: > > You don't really understand na'i. It's much more than a glorified > > na/na'e. It's more equivalent to the zen "mu". It lets the asker > > know the question cannot have been asked in that form, for any answer > > would be incorrect. Therefore, it metaphorically unasks the question. > > --gejyspa > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > >> Either I'm missing something or I don't really understand na'i. I've > always > >> just thought of it as a glorofied na or na'e > >> > >> On Jun 15, 2011 4:19 PM, "Michael Turniansky" > wrote: > >>> My 11yo says, "I need to use "na'i" more in my life." I had told him > >>> the meaning of the word, and he thinks it would be great for English. > >>> --gejyspa > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "Lojban Beginners" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.