From lojban-beginners+bncCKmy2o7eDhCRiaLwBBoEonpzcQ@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 27 06:24:47 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QbBnv-00026L-5M; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:24:47 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf5354932gxk.16 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:24:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=KMjZ1gTtD9ixKrc52QFsUsG0140QBUOd7z+JKeEcd18=; b=IOvhBzKUkSH9AZRYUbfg6M+vIrQ5GUwEEhFmzNbttUamUad5ctFOxA3ktyF5la/SEW rnRWiYKA6dsuA8X9HMtHniWgPpwDCSWxZ/ycbtZUFd8aMTqcxL3OEv1rcy4XXX7dKwhl 5cBxY7EBq1VC0V36fqSBK0n70Ke6Aqn4L6UiU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=B3KTomCtB0tYKj4k55UJZXvGz44Q/fdL4WR6zDKoAnL/A5umXt4Mn0NplDKR0WuXtf OvBvVyxAmfQ0rbu8DfgU0kMrv09PtQtfKCrbJCdes1HGiHogDYq49wGXQqdqOHOAyZDu jjmJA4QyHrrefs0ozxCwAl+/me7Ha6sYaRAM0= Received: by 10.147.164.18 with SMTP id r18mr505579yao.19.1309181073983; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:24:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.213.2 with SMTP id l2ls2966442ybg.3.gmail; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.182.103 with SMTP id n67mr2797319yhm.67.1309181072458; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 06:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.33.26 with SMTP id g26msybg; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 05:45:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.190.14 with SMTP id n14mr619596agf.34.1309178752497; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 05:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 05:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 05:45:52 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <1665dd93-53b2-4442-8b6d-ab80aabdcbda@b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] {le} and {lo} From: Ben Foppa To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: eatingstaples@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This has been my understand of {lo} and {le}, please anybody correct me if I'm wrong: {lo} indicates something-which-really-is (or plurality thereof), something which may-or-may-not have been referenced previously - this is analogous to English "a/an" or "some", where things must - when they're first introduced - be described as they are (for instance, "a shadow that looked like a cat"). {le} indicates something-which-is-described-as (or plurality thereof), and is used for specific things the speaker/writer has in mind, making it analogous to "the" in English, where things may be described somewhat incorrectly for context's sake (for instance, describing the aforementioned shadow as "the cat"). This is based on http://www.lojban.org/tiki/How+to+use+xorlo and L4B - are these correct interpretations? Obviously, not all the grammatical intricacies will match, but for day-to-day speaking use, would these be appropriate interpretations? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.