From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhDN_qvwBBoEVXvK7Q@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 29 03:32:59 2011 Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qbs4l-0003oK-B9; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:59 -0700 Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4sf689403pzk.16 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=AmGc6/ucNNnPj38PzZmRX9liqvpC+bfyToTcfeir8RU=; b=FriDkkBfcNUbgN8U9VbFafHwR64RanyhTMglAc288HfaLqvpxWZFTeoo67l7c4KSoK 7/Mpup7A6gOstqmYDQFbdOrd6t7DhrPtxa14byRQUhN5IkQUgJIUdWVSkw/aDDGlw1un +pz3TPxNgg5T9ULEdaoZvz8uBKqtPWJwkrXTA= Received: by 10.68.27.104 with SMTP id s8mr102808pbg.54.1309343565776; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.31.67 with SMTP id y3ls1149352pbh.3.gmail; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.15.130 with SMTP id x2mr152211pbc.55.1309343565099; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.15.130 with SMTP id x2mr152210pbc.55.1309343565087; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f51.google.com (mail-pz0-f51.google.com [209.85.210.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si2241336pbc.0.2011.06.29.03.32.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.51; Received: by mail-pz0-f51.google.com with SMTP id 26so918628pzk.10 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.51.72 with SMTP id i8mr994708pbo.67.1309343564709; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.47.170 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 03:32:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 06:32:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] zo'e: to restrict or not From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't have a problem with either one. The one describes, the other clarifies. If my dog is laying on the carpet sleeping, as he is in fact doing right now, then "zo'e noi gerku cu sipna" is "the thing (dog) is sleeping", whereas "zo'e poi gerku cu sipna" is "the thing that IS a dog is sleeping" to make sure you understand the zo'e I'm talking about (which remember is basically a social contract between hearer and listener that we both know what we're talking about) isn't my son (who happens to also be sleeping, so I might be talking about him, if it weren't for that poi). --gejyspa On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 2:38 AM, ianek wrote: > What is the difference between {zo'e noi} and {zo'e poi}? xorlo > defines {lo broda} as {zo'e noi broda}, but on the other hand, {zo'ei} > is defined as {zo'e pe}. As I understand, {ko'a pe ko'e} is something > like {ko'a poi co'e ko'e}. It was already strange that one can use a > non-restrictive relative phrase on zo'e, and when I accepted it, I > don't understand the other way. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.