From lojban-beginners+bncCMLaiI6rCBCGiaXvBBoEFn_Osw@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 03 13:31:19 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QSb1U-0000dW-Bh; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:31:18 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf155541gxk.16 for ; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:31:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5SC/Ns5No83DvoqRv9j3P0cIaiHRz7/dx2ThDT4jW7k=; b=ClbNtGLdpVRs+fQqAul9X/Rhv+/qft/8s4IgEYI+xcxKUerpQkaC2i6Q1AOvHRuUak DvTYZSpHT95sUGH8OM9cC8UawXZYJDopdmfGnWZFeELbd9Zkp6ZJRQjKurEhZh/bjWRy nIy0RwoaAPsRDLpUT03ACAZgnvKb854Ywg2d4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=DfDwqGVBOjou87FJ7LoMtKkc4j+RAXRiG2801dEsU1ZWhIG6I3kr74FNVkUO5K4CCA tucX/QwOAgIQEOEZ+1aTmrExlAid7+8AMqAbr6dIi35wVmvMc02JN9pJM/AIT0h2R5Wn Gr3wVSKFQOn5/8KoPf6/8DB9x/W8lRMsqf/4Y= Received: by 10.91.194.2 with SMTP id w2mr271484agp.48.1307133062905; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.142.17 with SMTP id u17ls421862agn.6.gmail; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.47.6 with SMTP id z6mr290251agj.13.1307133061869; Fri, 03 Jun 2011 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by b1g2000yql.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 13:31:01 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/534.24 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/11.04 Chromium/11.0.696.71 Chrome/11.0.696.71 Safari/534.24,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <3b73d859-a17d-45a6-8b94-ef82d0c7c91f@b1g2000yql.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] What's that with babo? From: ianek To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I was learning from LFB (over a year ago), I stumbled upon a note in http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less10connect.ht= ml (near the bottom of the page): > The very astute reader will have noted that 'afterwards' should have been= .i pu bo; the analogy with ba ku won out, though. (See The Complete Lojban= Language, Chapter 10.12.) The rest of you may ponder what on Earth I'm tal= king about, but need not lose sleep over it. Of coure I had noticed the inconsistency and the explanation hadn't satisfied me. I didn't check the referenced chapter 10.12 (was I afraid of CLL? I dunno). Now I've looked there and found nothing on the subject. The relevant chapters are 9.7 and 10.16, but the difference isn't explained there. So why the difference? {broda i MODAL bo brode}, as far as I understand, is translated roughly to {broda MODAL lo su'u brode kei}, but {broda i TENSE bo brode}, as stated in CLL 10.16, gets translated to {broda i TENSE la'edi'u brode}, which is the opposite. Why? mu'o mi'e ianek --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.