From lojban-beginners+bncCNf8pM-bDBCwz7bwBBoE2UzjvA@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 01 03:55:56 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QcbO4-0006rE-Vu; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:55:55 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf3378846qwh.16 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:55:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Lq1XzBjtF1teLMYxjkUeh43BA6fphJt6QMRVgofSCTw=; b=zSTNQTuHzoP5rykDO4zGCQXY2Uw3M5urScEYtsDaUIjWDP36Mvaxq78WZVDDsIWKy1 adllPta5EM9ylzI3/ZcvLtzrikNFHYwR2V6aATpFDR3a4Y+EC3bydkrCl6Oj1JyrTmF9 j+HWIsuTqbi9m1lKgSuwaNhNlOG/FZuywlXmE= Received: by 10.224.210.194 with SMTP id gl2mr324081qab.23.1309517744590; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:55:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.67.145 with SMTP id r17ls101947qai.5.gmail; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.215.67 with SMTP id hd3mr3345928qab.18.1309517743752; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:55:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.184.14 with SMTP id ci14msqab; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.33 with SMTP id dt1mr1231266vdc.9.1309503879427; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.181.33 with SMTP id dt1mr1231265vdc.9.1309503879418; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f49.google.com (mail-qw0-f49.google.com [209.85.216.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ch6si2481653vdb.2.2011.07.01.00.04.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.49; Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2so2199350qwi.22 for ; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.44.198 with SMTP id b6mr2238367qcf.67.1309503879129; Fri, 01 Jul 2011 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.228.70 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jul 2011 00:04:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1665dd93-53b2-4442-8b6d-ab80aabdcbda@b21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com> <9454fde3-7042-4c60-82d9-776f51b07b5c@t38g2000prj.googlegroups.com> <8ecaf8d7-810f-41e7-b4cc-9208b696f6ce@g16g2000yqg.googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2011 08:04:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: {le} and {lo} From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 30 June 2011 13:04, Ian Johnson wrote: > Erm...{le broda} is not {zo'e noi ke'a broda}. It's {zo'e noi mi skicu ke'a > do lo ka ce'u broda}. Technically the formal definition has nothing to do > with "having in mind", which sorta confuses me still. Is there some > historical undercurrent here that I don't know about? I meant to expand the specific aspect of {le} in which {le fraso} and {le badna} were presented in the earlier posts, not {le broda} in general. {zo'e noi mi skicu ke'a do lo ka ce'u broda} can be shortened to {zo'e voi [ke'a] broda}. Both {le} and {voi} are non-veridical. mu'o mi'e tijlan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.