From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDyzt7wBBoEYmJfgA@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 08 17:57:36 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfLrP-0000YE-Qb; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:57:36 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2740258qwh.16 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:57:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=KwnOjt7nkND8wq1izE3830prD9/kUSDvF4tywlIzimA=; b=CKUX4oW5NjK2r7seY9qbM9jvLqEOiXkonOlnJPQjkv0J3STSFKiey+wofSk5/CO8Lb vkbr7mqP7MoauFXx0UrBP2UGcxPT21bJx6w6O0gfSx3QDdI8oJRqpVkNXIVl+JpJqons zBHUUopA8Ru0ME2MdQY/ETnhscf99nXb+dbjw= Received: by 10.224.126.130 with SMTP id c2mr378342qas.18.1310173043001; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:57:23 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.187.145 with SMTP id cw17ls2404693qab.2.gmail; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.197 with SMTP id ex5mr3072505qab.17.1310173041479; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.200.197 with SMTP id ex5mr3072504qab.17.1310173041469; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:57:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ix17si3714580qcb.3.2011.07.08.17.57.20; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 17:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=SOlsIBN44tkg4MqIq+y2aLZdhoA3kHpmiRsLue6rfnM= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=H4aD7NZe7DkA:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=vnREMb7VAAAA:8 a=JpOTAXJ3k-KYH_BVUCMA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:33849] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 1F/96-15242-F67A71E4; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 00:57:19 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28DE714033 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:57:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] 'at this time in the past' Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 20:57:16 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201107082057.17705.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 08 July 2011 20:45:03 David Gowers (kampu) wrote: > Hello all, I've continued to learn Lojban although I've been away from the > IRC and mailing-lists. I recently updated jbofacki to be a lot more useful, > so if any of you use it, check it out. > > To the main subject of this email: How do we transpose time tenses? > > The example is, I was watching this Let's Play: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJ3A0xdh5A > and I uttered this rather time-complex statement: "at this time last time, > Snake was about to be killed". > > {ca le pu cabna ku catra la since}? > The problem being 'le pu cabna' is underspecified (and sounds like a > tautology vs 'le purci'). I want to say 'the time in the past iteration > that corresponds to the present moment in this iteration'. I suggest "ca le prulamke'u mintu pu'o catra la since". Pierre -- sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.