From lojban-beginners+bncCIici4jiChCu0t7wBBoEe20Afw@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 08 18:04:59 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfLyZ-000110-An; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:58 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf3815715wyh.16 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=YuREXXWYCpWFhwDVLw5SOPSisvj2yIAIcgdr6HHovb0=; b=pE9+tNhibLlHrTplFSOgUjKB+SU+ESKDUuMzs1Mr1nDKNgI+oF09/CUveACeMHDlbT fGpFXgYeAEjLESL5kkScYJ4mrvpUDyHaswH/uUTteNnI3PAkHgZMU/ydAujwp28hX9Ru so3cVHrmZfLvVO0pjx/zC+KBgmt0DkNqj9s5o= Received: by 10.216.209.8 with SMTP id r8mr436527weo.22.1310173486232; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:46 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.178.203 with SMTP id f53ls1773708wem.1.gmail; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.243.69 with SMTP id j47mr79367wer.0.1310173485651; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.243.69 with SMTP id j47mr79366wer.0.1310173485588; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25si2895451wbp.1.2011.07.08.18.04.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by wwf22 with SMTP id 22so1723367wwf.18 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.220.91 with SMTP id n69mr897184wep.95.1310173484253; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.201.163 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 18:04:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201107082057.17705.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201107082057.17705.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:34:44 +0930 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] 'at this time in the past' From: "David Gowers (kampu)" <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6dab3b21f81dd04a798894a --0016e6dab3b21f81dd04a798894a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow, that's elegant. Thanks for reminding me of pu'o 's existence.. and that the argument of ca is always implicitly a point in time, so {prulamke'u mintu} disambiguates itself neatly :) On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 08 July 2011 20:45:03 David Gowers (kampu) wrote: > > Hello all, I've continued to learn Lojban although I've been away from > the > > IRC and mailing-lists. I recently updated jbofacki to be a lot more > useful, > > so if any of you use it, check it out. > > > > To the main subject of this email: How do we transpose time tenses? > > > > The example is, I was watching this Let's Play: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJ3A0xdh5A > > and I uttered this rather time-complex statement: "at this time last > time, > > Snake was about to be killed". > > > > {ca le pu cabna ku catra la since}? > > The problem being 'le pu cabna' is underspecified (and sounds like a > > tautology vs 'le purci'). I want to say 'the time in the past iteration > > that corresponds to the present moment in this iteration'. > > I suggest "ca le prulamke'u mintu pu'o catra la since". > > Pierre > -- > sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6dab3b21f81dd04a798894a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wow, that's elegant. Thanks for reminding me of pu'o 's existence.. and that the argument of ca is always implicitly a point in time, so {prulamke'u mintu} disambiguates itself neatly :)

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Friday 08 July 2011 20:45:03 David Gowers (kampu) wrote:
> Hello all, I've continued to learn Lojban although I've been away from the
> IRC and mailing-lists. I recently updated jbofacki to be a lot more useful,
> so if any of you use it, check it out.
>
> To the main subject of this email: How do we transpose time tenses?
>
> The example is, I was watching this Let's Play:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOJ3A0xdh5A
> and I uttered this rather time-complex statement: "at this time last time,
> Snake was about to be killed".
>
> {ca le pu cabna ku catra la since}?
> The problem being 'le pu cabna' is underspecified (and sounds like a
> tautology vs 'le purci'). I want to say 'the time in the past iteration
> that corresponds to the present moment in this iteration'.

I suggest "ca le prulamke'u mintu pu'o catra la since".

Pierre
--
sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

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