From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxDd1d7wBBoEVsx-jA@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 08 18:12:10 2011 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfM5W-0001CS-5l; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:12:10 -0700 Received: by qwh5 with SMTP id 5sf2747520qwh.16 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:12:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=KaksWxtECj0es6xl5kcV7hnZJG1mxpfqw1V+fTtgNYU=; b=uhJf2Ayxg0pNNOnIwxJte/QvcJ1O00iya4dbz5upfzLfwYA9B/XJuebG20rXUA+grV EGYdcAcy2LMKvjkzZmJ/Lo3Ql7dHuwdbRDbwtJOMXQroJKckcBTKWDH0iCNeFrRs4GO3 9PiJ1vU7E4t8Eow5VmV78docwAKJXz3xU4Imo= Received: by 10.224.218.71 with SMTP id hp7mr373459qab.34.1310173917626; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:11:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.21.25 with SMTP id h25ls686143qab.5.gmail; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.42.143 with SMTP id s15mr3042581qae.28.1310173916844; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.42.143 with SMTP id s15mr3042579qae.28.1310173916834; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ge31si10457237qcb.2.2011.07.08.18.11.55; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 18:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8mDY8c80ZOa76EOwICuS+E2YRQjxDgO9xqUnRMONc7w= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=aydDAHnigxcxVy3jDtQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:43700] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 69/6A-00666-ADAA71E4; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 01:11:55 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD164039 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 21:11:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] coi Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2011 21:11:51 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <7d5c7218-47ad-476f-b292-e467e15b1e55@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <7d5c7218-47ad-476f-b292-e467e15b1e55@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201107082111.52434.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 08 July 2011 14:28:00 kail. kinzyl. wrote: > coi do > .i mi'e kail. coi .kail. mi'e .pier. > So, I read (retention is another fact) through the Reference Grammar. > I have to say that lojban sounds entirely interesting. I plan on > learning as much as I can. I see personal potential in the language > as a way of promoting expansion of thoughts and ideas. > > Of course I have many questions about the language, including some > geeky, some conversational, but I will just start off with one for > right now. > > la lerfu xy. I think you mean "me'o xy. noi lerfu". "la lerfu" could be a pub named "The Letter", or something like that. > I love the sound of the 'x', but I think I have been pronouncing it > differently than what....'proper' lojban dictates. Looking at the > pronunciation guide, I see that 'x' is listed as an unvoiced velar > fricative. I, however, find myself using an unvoiced uvular > fricative; the unvoiced velar fricative is near impossible for me to > pronounce without uvular usage. Is this a big deal? I know I read > somewhere that the sounds per lerfu were a 'set' of sounds (i.e. > trilled 'r' vs. untrilled 'r'). Anyone else use the uvular fricative > over the velar? I use both. I use the velar before "e" and "i" and after "n" and the uvular elsewhere, or something like that. The combination "xr" I pronounce as a double uvular-alveolar trill, and in "rirxrxrazdani" I maintain the double trill through the "xrxr" while turning the voice on and off. (Hrazdan is a river in Armenia.) Some exercises you might want to try: maxri marxa (wheat crusher) le xruki le ginxre xrixruba xu xrula cu xrani? (Was it the hybrid buckwheat whose flower the turkey harmed?) ri'erxi'a tirxyxi'a (hippopotamus zebra) Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.