From lojban-beginners+bncCOib25n_BhD7rd_wBBoE91ovmw@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 08 21:20:24 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfP1h-00053F-2P; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:24 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf3117586fxd.16 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pcZYLaHBRVw9AefcNj8tpnWgr2MSoiXFnufGR851KN4=; b=BB1ZSD6P5BkSgRN3xz4uQ0Y40MnXMgetWXyp1cI5eifrImpgJr4Sanglj7N3BSeNsc pRMTwMN6KWGyhsyzpbvebG9kJmGaOBMaZIkfWwO/L75NAeE8cfj90kwMRDWLIiJ65t4H Joi1RGDjYxcs9nEM7xQKyBvFN6dEB4JqKl3hM= Received: by 10.223.17.70 with SMTP id r6mr927923faa.16.1310185211441; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:11 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.34.76 with SMTP id k12ls5771013bkd.0.gmail; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.211 with SMTP id u19mr361193bks.0.1310185210189; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.130.211 with SMTP id u19mr361192bks.0.1310185210160; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f46.google.com (mail-bw0-f46.google.com [209.85.214.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z3si5876622bkb.0.2011.07.08.21.20.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.46; Received: by bwd5 with SMTP id 5so3360172bwd.33 for ; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.170.65 with SMTP id c1mr660742bkz.295.1310185209906; Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.73.7 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Jul 2011 21:20:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201107082111.52434.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <7d5c7218-47ad-476f-b292-e467e15b1e55@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <201107082111.52434.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 00:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] coi From: ".arpis." To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec51a72a806c6bc04a79b44a3 --bcaec51a72a806c6bc04a79b44a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .i .ua sai mi cilre su'o so'u lo jbobau nandu bo se bacru .i mi gleki lo nu go'i Or is there a canonical word for tongue-twister of which I'm unaware? On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 9:11 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 08 July 2011 14:28:00 kail. kinzyl. wrote: > > coi do > > .i mi'e kail. > > coi .kail. mi'e .pier. > > > So, I read (retention is another fact) through the Reference Grammar. > > I have to say that lojban sounds entirely interesting. I plan on > > learning as much as I can. I see personal potential in the language > > as a way of promoting expansion of thoughts and ideas. > > > > Of course I have many questions about the language, including some > > geeky, some conversational, but I will just start off with one for > > right now. > > > > la lerfu xy. > > I think you mean "me'o xy. noi lerfu". "la lerfu" could be a pub named "The > Letter", or something like that. > > > I love the sound of the 'x', but I think I have been pronouncing it > > differently than what....'proper' lojban dictates. Looking at the > > pronunciation guide, I see that 'x' is listed as an unvoiced velar > > fricative. I, however, find myself using an unvoiced uvular > > fricative; the unvoiced velar fricative is near impossible for me to > > pronounce without uvular usage. Is this a big deal? I know I read > > somewhere that the sounds per lerfu were a 'set' of sounds (i.e. > > trilled 'r' vs. untrilled 'r'). Anyone else use the uvular fricative > > over the velar? > > I use both. I use the velar before "e" and "i" and after "n" and the uvular > elsewhere, or something like that. The combination "xr" I pronounce as a > double uvular-alveolar trill, and in "rirxrxrazdani" I maintain the double > trill through the "xrxr" while turning the voice on and off. (Hrazdan is a > river in Armenia.) Some exercises you might want to try: > > maxri marxa (wheat crusher) > le xruki le ginxre xrixruba xu xrula cu xrani? (Was it the hybrid buckwheat > whose flower the turkey harmed?) > ri'erxi'a tirxyxi'a (hippopotamus zebra) > > Pierre > -- > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .arpis. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --bcaec51a72a806c6bc04a79b44a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .i .ua sai mi cilre su'o so'u lo jbobau nandu bo se bacru
.i mi = gleki lo nu go'i

Or is there a canonical word for tongue-twister= of which I'm unaware?

On Fri, Jul 8,= 2011 at 9:11 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Friday 08 July 2011 14= :28:00 kail. kinzyl. wrote:
> coi do
> .i mi'e kail.

coi .kail. mi'e .pier.

> So, I read (retention is another fact) through the Reference Grammar.<= br> > I have to say that lojban sounds entirely interesting. =A0I plan on > learning as much as I can. =A0I see personal potential in the language=
> as a way of promoting expansion of thoughts and ideas.
>
> Of course I have many questions about the language, including some
> geeky, some conversational, but I will just start off with one for
> right now.
>
> la lerfu xy.

I think you mean "me'o xy. noi lerfu". "la lerfu&q= uot; could be a pub named "The
Letter", or something like that.

> I love the sound of the 'x', but I think I have been pronounci= ng it
> differently than what....'proper' lojban dictates. =A0Looking = at the
> pronunciation guide, I see that 'x' is listed as an unvoiced v= elar
> fricative. =A0I, however, find myself using an unvoiced uvular
> fricative; the unvoiced velar fricative is near impossible for me to > pronounce without uvular usage. =A0Is this a big deal? =A0I know I rea= d
> somewhere that the sounds per lerfu were a 'set' of sounds (i.= e.
> trilled 'r' vs. untrilled 'r'). =A0Anyone else use the= uvular fricative
> over the velar?

I use both. I use the velar before "e" and "i" an= d after "n" and the uvular
elsewhere, or something like that. The combination "xr" I pronoun= ce as a
double uvular-alveolar trill, and in "rirxrxrazdani" I maintain t= he double
trill through the "xrxr" while turning the voice on and off. (Hra= zdan is a
river in Armenia.) Some exercises you might want to try:

maxri marxa (wheat crusher)
le xruki le ginxre xrixruba xu xrula cu xrani? (Was it the hybrid buckwheat=
whose flower the turkey harmed?)
ri'erxi'a tirxyxi'a (hippopotamus zebra)

Pierre
--
li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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