From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBCNm-LwBBoERCuTMQ@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 09 10:19:25 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QfbBW-0007wY-TY; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:25 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf5120930wwf.16 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gYnnl8FWTnoqJUIFQoLfPgb3si3Hpis+JvoYdf7tRyA=; b=5C6012NfeQi+OtXIB2nlBX5nZVfYe6M3xxyQwElyOphWSbt4EXqv/pgY1+ndoJoc+Y 9nV2iBf5KJkhdwPyoqnCUOK14sgQ+VIek3efYHG40WdJRjdfnSy5VPTGmX4hbpdKmEw/ oyqMXmXLxp1mUzIOvVgW0gZ4w9Fp4LwgACHdw= Received: by 10.216.65.136 with SMTP id f8mr1212494wed.14.1310231949505; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.178.203 with SMTP id f53ls1979938wem.1.gmail; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.67.76 with SMTP id i54mr111628wed.7.1310231947404; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.67.76 with SMTP id i54mr111627wed.7.1310231947378; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f47.google.com (mail-ww0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l4si12113921wbo.3.2011.07.09.10.19.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.47; Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so2572935wwf.28 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.217.6.197 with SMTP id y47mr1666102wes.55.1310231946872; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2011 10:19:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <961c8cb9-2111-4ed2-93a2-2836e7e497c8@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> References: <7d5c7218-47ad-476f-b292-e467e15b1e55@a10g2000vbz.googlegroups.com> <201107082111.52434.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201107090023.38006.phma@phma.optus.nu> <961c8cb9-2111-4ed2-93a2-2836e7e497c8@c41g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 13:19:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: coi From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf302ad698c4491004a7a625de --20cf302ad698c4491004a7a625de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All gismu have an automatic rafsi form of "y". And remember that lujvo don't necessarily equate to their component words a= s a tanru. (i.e. jbobau does not automatically mean lojbo bangu) I think bacrynandu makes sense. A tongue twister is IMO, first and formost= , a kind of puzzle or challange. An utterance kind of puzzle/challange to be more specific. On Jul 9, 2011 1:12 PM, "=C1lvaro Vallejo" wrote: > coi rodo > > There is something I do not understand regarding the lujvo bacrynandu: > - bacru has only one rafsi: ba'u. Why then bacr is used for the lujvo? > - On the other hand, are we talking about a difficult utterance or a > difficulty which is an utterance? I would think a tongue-twister is a > type of utterance (a difficult one, indeed), and then bacru should be > the tertau of this lujvo: nadyba'u, maybe? > > Anyway, my bets are that I am wrong! I need to read carefully the > Chapter 12 of CLL.... by the way... which is the name of CLL in > Lojban? jbobau mulno ? > > mu'o mi'e ALbaros > > > On Jul 8, 11:23 pm, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> On Saturday 09 July 2011 00:20:09 .arpis. wrote: >> >> > .i .ua sai mi cilre su'o so'u lo jbobau nandu bo se bacru >> > .i mi gleki lo nu go'i >> >> > Or is there a canonical word for tongue-twister of which I'm unaware? >> >> You're very close; the word is "bacrynandu". >> >> Pierre >> -- >> Don't buy a French car in Holland. 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All gismu have an automatic rafsi form of "<first four letters&g= t;y".

And remember that lujvo don't necessarily equate to their component = words as a tanru. (i.e. jbobau does not automatically mean lojbo bangu)

I think bacrynandu makes sense.=A0 A tongue twister is IMO, first and fo= rmost, a kind of puzzle or challange.=A0 An utterance kind of puzzle/challa= nge to be more specific.

On Jul 9, 2011 1:12 PM, "=C1lvaro Vallejo&q= uot; <avallejor@gmail.com>= wrote:
> coi rodo
>
> There is som= ething I do not understand regarding the lujvo bacrynandu:
> - bacru has only one rafsi: ba'u. Why then bacr is used for the lu= jvo?
> - On the other hand, are we talking about a difficult utteranc= e or a
> difficulty which is an utterance? I would think a tongue-twi= ster is a
> type of utterance (a difficult one, indeed), and then bacru should be<= br>> the tertau of this lujvo: nadyba'u, maybe?
>
> Any= way, my bets are that I am wrong! I need to read carefully the
> Chap= ter 12 of CLL.... by the way... which is the name of CLL in
> Lojban? jbobau mulno ?
>
> mu'o mi'e ALbaros
&= gt;
>
> On Jul 8, 11:23=A0pm, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
>> On Sa= turday 09 July 2011 00:20:09 .arpis. wrote:
>>
>> > .i .ua sai mi cilre su'o so'u lo jbobau n= andu bo se bacru
>> > .i mi gleki lo nu go'i
>>>> > Or is there a canonical word for tongue-twister of which I&#= 39;m unaware?
>>
>> You're very close; the word is "bacrynandu&qu= ot;.
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
>> Don't bu= y a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.
>
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