From lojban-beginners+bncCKu5ssGzBRCr_fHwBBoEXgHHhA@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 12 10:04:55 2011 Received: from mail-yi0-f61.google.com ([209.85.218.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QggOB-0001Az-Vs; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:04:54 -0700 Received: by yie12 with SMTP id 12sf5615278yie.16 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:04:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-pair-authenticated:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=f+ljMt47B+rO+Rvcsu5AGMqVr+tM++CYBoDVwV1VA5A=; b=QuKh0JP9RcnvImoOZ5yWOS8lMNp+aEv/HDfgFpA40FGBOOTGORIXbOKTsvu1Mqikzu KIWRWOYvr6Vfb/epcgPaBEPyNWNaLntSYyPhWV8dIqDqgg6k+uQFcnU5YLlDXpRU6HT8 8tn5aULKaiL6jxCYk/w/2lkZUM88v5n+2H94k= Received: by 10.90.172.1 with SMTP id u1mr57469age.9.1310490283609; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.185.5 with SMTP id cm5ls246068ibb.3.gmail; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:04:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.151.74 with SMTP id d10mr16999icw.95.1310490281837; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.151.74 with SMTP id d10mr16998icw.95.1310490281830; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay03.pair.com (relay03.pair.com [209.68.5.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id c14si5683129icn.7.2011.07.12.10.04.40; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 10:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) client-ip=209.68.5.17; Received: (qmail 36125 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2011 17:04:39 -0000 Received: from 87.160.144.125 (HELO ?192.168.1.33?) (87.160.144.125) by relay03.pair.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2011 17:04:39 -0000 X-pair-Authenticated: 87.160.144.125 Message-ID: <4E1C7EA3.4080205@plasmatix.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:04:35 +0200 From: Miles Forster User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Allowing empty {soi} References: <4E1C75F0.4080407@plasmatix.com> <4E1C793B.6060807@plasmatix.com> In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: m3o@plasmatix.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.68.5.17 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of m3o@plasmatix.com) smtp.mail=m3o@plasmatix.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Am 12.07.2011 18:57, schrieb Luke Bergen: > ok, so my question is, what are the specific rules that make it such > that in "soi broda fa ko'a ko'e ko'i" "ko'e" and "ko'i" are the ones > that are reciprocal and not "ko'a" and one of the other two? No rules, just context. The other possibilities there just didn't make sense. The point of empty {soi} is to save time in obvious situations, but when confusion is feared, you can still fill one or both sumti in as usual. > As in, could you describe how you think {soi} should work in terms > like "when soi is encountered, take the first sumti and the last sumti > of the current level bridi and make them reciprocal" or some such? Again, there is no rule here. If context doesn't make it clear, don't use empty {soi}. > > Something human readable but which seems like it could be described to > a parser. This is easy I believe. {soi} *always* eats exactly two sumti. This won't change, and so {soi ko'a se'u} == {soi ko'a zo'e se'u} and {soi se'u} == {soi zo'e zo'e se'u} which means also that {soi broda} == {soi zo'e zo'e se'u broda} ({soi} being a free modifier.) -- /p4a ja ma%sam ni"dZwanja-\e ta %bja Z mu "karu/ /bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.