From lojban-beginners+bncCML0xpmUARDtrPLwBBoEuRZOGA@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 12 11:46:18 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QghyI-00049J-Fo; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:18 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf7194590fxd.16 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=0LbOg007CHwjEJZ5KuTNuGPE3ZYJODGp4TDKvAfZBtU=; b=RDqG6bm2Ta6hLcrbjynrtlcapxOUiu+3nexUcLaisyj5U994vH3AcVvtjgScAqr6Nr qSuRajPk7/IjJN+yEhrADkU6CNr6xG0oC0CDyYsFDb7VVd2NABqOZ92N19V9qYzn8+af FkdnwV5rpgK6YgHOc5E5ZLAM6Jhfb3Zd4o0as= Received: by 10.223.55.91 with SMTP id t27mr99539fag.3.1310496365335; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.11.11 with SMTP id r11ls264008bkr.1.gmail; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.232.130 with SMTP id ju2mr39175bkb.12.1310496364207; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.232.130 with SMTP id ju2mr39174bkb.12.1310496364186; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com (mail-fx0-f41.google.com [209.85.161.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m11si893225fah.1.2011.07.12.11.46.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.41; Received: by mail-fx0-f41.google.com with SMTP id 9so5206995fxg.14 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.5.212 with SMTP id 20mr354853faw.40.1310496363919; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.93.203 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:46:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E1C75F0.4080407@plasmatix.com> References: <4E1C75F0.4080407@plasmatix.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Allowing empty {soi} From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of blindbravado@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=blindbravado@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174737aa403a9304a7e3b6de --0015174737aa403a9304a7e3b6de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I consider {soi} to be rather un-Lojbanic myself; with {simxu} and {ka}, I think you can do things much better. If it comes to it, just say {.i simxu} or {.i go'i simxu} after the sentence; it's just as good as empty {soi}. mu'o mi'e latros On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Miles Forster wrote: > Today I thought it would be very useful to allow {soi} to be filled by zero > sumti, instead of the current minimum of one sumti. > > Then, we can just say {.i mi soi viska do} "I see you and you see me" -> > "We see each other.", which is much shorter and actually not very ambiguous > either, since there are only two sumti in this bridi anyway. > > Would there be any hidden ramifications if we allowed this? > > -- > /p4a ja ma%sam ni"dZwanja-\e ta %bja Z mu "karu/ > /bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.**com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@**googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban-beginners?hl=en > . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0015174737aa403a9304a7e3b6de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I consider {soi} to be rather un-Lojbanic myself; with {simxu} and {ka}, I = think you can do things much better. If it comes to it, just say {.i simxu}= or {.i go'i simxu} after the sentence; it's just as good as empty = {soi}.

mu'o mi'e latros

On Tue, Jul = 12, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Miles Forster <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:
Today I thought it would be very useful to allow {soi} to be filled by zero= sumti, instead of the current minimum of one sumti.

Then, we can just say {.i mi soi viska do} "I see you and you see me&q= uot; -> "We see each other.", which is much shorter and actual= ly not very ambiguous either, since there are only two sumti in this bridi = anyway.

Would there be any hidden ramifications if we allowed this?

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/bja "dZi:wan i kwa "ZwEja ta Z mu "karu/

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