From lojban-beginners+bncCIici4jiChC9yPPwBBoEAQEKHw@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 12 17:18:17 2011 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgn9a-00049W-Kl; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:17 -0700 Received: by wyh13 with SMTP id 13sf10479594wyh.16 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=9Ve1fGcVjoqZcLHPn4WuY0ILlZjb6AuygiakFkyOeVQ=; b=WXNQHwYynsnY5+82RrDgJ190fumfw2196XG1YECek3VntjISCbb4OhDbKkP63aQ5bH bxBNQyj1fgRwg7FrDy8llDWpyecxiLiFVrp8CFkgrvUqbjYJe03U3gEnJJ2fh2Cn8EsR 0aY9HcfR+xgRsIb62TiWSZ+0KM14sPrlPsl58= Received: by 10.216.229.7 with SMTP id g7mr1952190weq.25.1310516285504; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.153.168 with SMTP id k40ls334583wbw.0.gmail; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.55.16 with SMTP id s16mr39322wbg.11.1310516284510; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.55.16 with SMTP id s16mr39321wbg.11.1310516284475; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f41.google.com (mail-ww0-f41.google.com [74.125.82.41]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c25si6929497wbp.1.2011.07.12.17.18.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.41; Received: by wwi14 with SMTP id 14so36118wwi.2 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.185.210 with SMTP id u60mr410416wem.80.1310516284263; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.201.163 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:18:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8bbb2854-9a94-4793-9b3a-65be6881a930@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> References: <8bbb2854-9a94-4793-9b3a-65be6881a930@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 09:48:04 +0930 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Help with Lojbanising English? From: "David Gowers (kampu)" <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fab6f988daf04a7e859ff --0016367fab6f988daf04a7e859ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbytroid wrote: > coi > > I'm new to Lojban, and am currently working through some of the online > lessons. It looks really interesting, and I hope to continue learning > it. > > I just wanted to know how you would write "Samways" in Lojban? > I thought that it would be "samueis", but I'd like to have it > clarified :D. > > English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some people might say samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pronounced the name with completely correct and clear English enunciation). People might say sam,ueis or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind of English accent they have. That's what you have to think about -- the kind of pronunciation you are expecting. Lojban is unambiguous about what a particular string of characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound you are intending first :) (the comma isn't phonetically distinct, it just represents whether there is a short pause or not. sam,ueis == samueis with different pausation.) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016367fab6f988daf04a7e859ff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbytr= oid <kirbytr= oid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
coi

I'm new to Lojban, and am currently working through some of the online<= br> lessons. It looks really interesting, and I hope to continue learning
it.

I just wanted to know how you would write "Samways" in Lojban? I thought that it would be "samueis", but I'd like to have it=
clarified :D.

English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some peop= le might say
samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pronounced t= he name with completely correct and clear English enunciation). People migh= t say sam,ueis or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind of English a= ccent they have. That's what you have to think about -- the kind of pro= nunciation you are expecting. Lojban is unambiguous about what a particular= string of characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound = you are intending first :)

(the comma isn't phonetically distinct, it just represents whether = there is a short pause or not. sam,ueis =3D=3D samueis with different pausa= tion.)

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