From lojban-beginners+bncCOjSjrXVGBCP2fPwBBoEh1kYow@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 12 17:53:48 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qgnhw-0000Vg-Qn; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:48 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf10593353wwf.16 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=vsCmyJiJrNMFIMdMQW51AwXZi0yHfil7qFEiWUGIX7c=; b=uT3mO5Q3ZWYbBooWWxG3owH/Cs82vQ9VZpBKIdf0Y+5toU6jAn2nRhW8aRAZd0Fqaq 9tVut1PO6nbOonRV9IKG2riy3B5TgisLCNefou25slBD5GRVnGmFnZXn5EfkviP7rbbk dCjXSu8cW5MAlaXoSwM+zxyjxRIBAl6Qv8PAQ= Received: by 10.216.182.18 with SMTP id n18mr93970wem.14.1310518415537; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.207.136 with SMTP id n8ls67976weo.0.gmail; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.134.15 with SMTP id r15mr31931wei.5.1310518414817; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.134.15 with SMTP id r15mr31930wei.5.1310518414781; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f171.google.com (mail-wy0-f171.google.com [74.125.82.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e23si15503349wbp.2.2011.07.12.17.53.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.171; Received: by mail-wy0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 11so4104976wyi.30 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.235.95 with SMTP id t73mr465034weq.10.1310518414617; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.71.77 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2011 17:53:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8bbb2854-9a94-4793-9b3a-65be6881a930@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 20:53:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Help with Lojbanising English? From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015176f1a64932b7a04a7e8d872 --0015176f1a64932b7a04a7e8d872 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 And of course if you were trying to make the first "a" sound like the "a" in "hat" then you're out of luck. That and the "i" of "kick" have no lojban letter/diphthong. Otherwise yeah, I'd go with samueis On Jul 12, 2011 8:18 PM, "David Gowers (kampu)" <00ai99@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbytroid wrote: > >> coi >> >> I'm new to Lojban, and am currently working through some of the online >> lessons. It looks really interesting, and I hope to continue learning >> it. >> >> I just wanted to know how you would write "Samways" in Lojban? >> I thought that it would be "samueis", but I'd like to have it >> clarified :D. >> >> English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some people might say > samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pronounced the name with > completely correct and clear English enunciation). People might say sam,ueis > or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind of English accent they have. > That's what you have to think about -- the kind of pronunciation you are > expecting. Lojban is unambiguous about what a particular string of > characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound you are > intending first :) > > (the comma isn't phonetically distinct, it just represents whether there is > a short pause or not. sam,ueis == samueis with different pausation.) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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And of course if you were trying to make the first "a" sound l= ike the "a" in "hat" then you're out of luck.=A0 Th= at and the "i" of "kick" have no lojban letter/diphthon= g.

Otherwise yeah, I'd go with samueis

On Jul 12, 2011 8:18 PM, "David Gowers (kam= pu)" <00ai99@gmail.com> = wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbyt= roid <kirbytroid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> coi
>>
>> I'm new to Lojban, and am= currently working through some of the online
>> lessons. It looks= really interesting, and I hope to continue learning
>> it.
>>
>> I just wanted to know how you would write "Samway= s" in Lojban?
>> I thought that it would be "samueis&quo= t;, but I'd like to have it
>> clarified :D.
>>
>> English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some people might say<= br>> samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pronounced the name = with
> completely correct and clear English enunciation). People migh= t say sam,ueis
> or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind of English accent they= have.
> That's what you have to think about -- the kind of pronu= nciation you are
> expecting. Lojban is unambiguous about what a part= icular string of
> characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound you ar= e
> intending first :)
>
> (the comma isn't phonetic= ally distinct, it just represents whether there is
> a short pause or= not. sam,ueis =3D=3D samueis with different pausation.)
>
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