From lojban-beginners+bncCIycn8S8DhDZypvxBBoEvhXheg@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 20 07:31:44 2011 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QjXkV-0007JI-KO; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:30:49 -0700 Received: by pvc22 with SMTP id 22sf333396pvc.16 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7oSmq8YnRdvQ19t/pmEZ7RDkKGZeQ0L9oQ/mwI5FbS4=; b=4CNZYzs+41ENM5dcSc0fjHgNiZ+esSW0daxT+5JI8Nbu9So4C3C3i42vyLz3/PjsGK Ac/D7AFcl3DxFqjPkglkFhWYzb4Mb8+YOZd6//htfAkccNMZHlxhWmpSlfq/Af9F7g+s 65UqAU5fdQT537zpX0bvj+uXd6dx0o7MWOk8M= Received: by 10.142.201.19 with SMTP id y19mr632709wff.48.1311171929584; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.245.21 with SMTP id s21ls246783wfh.0.gmail; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.12.170 with SMTP id z10mr1976611pbb.102.1311171928694; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.12.170 with SMTP id z10mr1976610pbb.102.1311171928676; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com (mail-pv0-f169.google.com [74.125.83.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8si636080pbc.0.2011.07.20.07.25.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.169; Received: by mail-pv0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 12so237792pvc.28 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.39.232 with SMTP id s8mr10312766pbk.58.1311171928344; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.56.196 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2011 07:25:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <039284ab-45c0-4de7-a614-1a4b9ae182f2@cq10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> References: <8bbb2854-9a94-4793-9b3a-65be6881a930@u28g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <039284ab-45c0-4de7-a614-1a4b9ae182f2@cq10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:25:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help with Lojbanising English? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec520f53d0747f704a88101bb --bcaec520f53d0747f704a88101bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On the other hand, the last phoneme should be "z", not "s". I don't know anyone who pronounces Samways to rhyme with "base" rather than "bays" --gejyspa On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Kirbytroid wrote: > OK then, thanks for clearing that up. > And for reminding me that the "a" sound is different from "hat", or > "Sam", > but I suppose that that's the price of using foreign words in Lojban. > > On Jul 13, 1:53 am, Luke Bergen wrote: > > And of course if you were trying to make the first "a" sound like the "a" > in > > "hat" then you're out of luck. That and the "i" of "kick" have no lojban > > letter/diphthong. > > > > Otherwise yeah, I'd go with samueis > > On Jul 12, 2011 8:18 PM, "David Gowers (kampu)" <00a...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbytroid > > wrote: > > > > >> coi > > > > >> I'm new to Lojban, and am currently working through some of the online > > >> lessons. It looks really interesting, and I hope to continue learning > > >> it. > > > > >> I just wanted to know how you would write "Samways" in Lojban? > > >> I thought that it would be "samueis", but I'd like to have it > > >> clarified :D. > > > > >> English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some people might say > > > samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pronounced the name with > > > completely correct and clear English enunciation). People might say > > sam,ueis > > > or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind of English accent they > > have. > > > That's what you have to think about -- the kind of pronunciation you > are > > > expecting. Lojban is unambiguous about what a particular string of > > > characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound you are > > > intending first :) > > > > > (the comma isn't phonetically distinct, it just represents whether > there > > is > > > a short pause or not. sam,ueis == samueis with different pausation.) > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > > "Lojban Beginners" group.> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.> For more options, visit > this group at > > > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > - Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On the other hand, the last phoneme should be "z= ", not "s".=A0 I don't know anyone who pronounces Samway= s to rhyme with "base" rather than "bays"
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On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Kirbytroid <kirbytroid@yaho= o.co.uk> wrote:
OK then, thanks for clearing tha= t up.
And for reminding me that the "a" sound is different fro= m "hat", or
"Sam",
but I suppose that that's the price of using foreig= n words in Lojban.

On Jul 13, 1:53=A0am, Luke Bergen <lukeaber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And = of course if you were trying to make the first "a" sound like the= "a" in
> "hat" then you're out of luck. =A0That and the "i&q= uot; of "kick" have no lojban
> letter/diphthong.
>> Otherwise yeah, I'd go with samueis
> On Jul 12, 201= 1 8:18 PM, "David Gowers (kampu)" <00a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Kirbytro= id <kirbytr...@yahoo.co.uk= >
> wrote:
>
> >> coi
>
> = >> I'm new to Lojban, and am currently working through some of th= e online
> >> lessons. It looks really interesting, and I hope = to continue learning
> >> it.
>
> >> I just wanted to know how you wo= uld write "Samways" in Lojban?
> >> I thought that it= would be "samueis", but I'd like to have it
> >>= clarified :D.
>
> >> English is not phonetically unambiguous, so some peop= le might say
> > samueis (IMO this is what you would get if you pr= onounced the name with
> > completely correct and clear English en= unciation). People might say
> sam,ueis
> > or samuais or sam,uias , according to what kind = of English accent they
> have.
> > That's what you have = to think about -- the kind of pronunciation you are
> > expecting.= Lojban is unambiguous about what a particular string of
> > characters sounds like, but you still have to decide what sound y= ou are
> > intending first :)
>
> > (the comma isn&= #39;t phonetically distinct, it just represents whether there
> is > > a short pause or not. sam,ueis =3D=3D samueis with different paus= ation.)
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