From lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRDit77xBBoE23S-Hg@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 26 22:02:41 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QlwGS-0004N8-1e; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:40 -0700 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf2589777wwf.16 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=EenTZS/3EAOtKhjNw7otLMD+GJ/n+wtYgyyBgKAOVpo=; b=a9yg6GJufwAeNHn3MwkO/8t+nNkK/TtqCwnxkc0QDSDXou5YA7HtzzLHcIXzEBVYff bjcS6A8/2SGlPVrMYv2f2hhhAGl4WHZEh+gQ6TEHv9A2/BPSWd02F6YKaL4Xsixv+aXz yoxFfgp4UA0k7Z0bRpG85fqzTy6KF+pW3tnN8= Received: by 10.216.171.134 with SMTP id r6mr1326032wel.15.1311742946476; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.40.232 with SMTP id f80ls1033941eeb.1.canary; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.98.79 with SMTP id u55mr425113eef.13.1311742945377; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.98.79 with SMTP id u55mr425112eef.13.1311742945359; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f178.google.com (mail-ey0-f178.google.com [209.85.215.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i21si1963062eei.0.2011.07.26.22.02.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.178; Received: by mail-ey0-f178.google.com with SMTP id 4so1551293eye.23 for ; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.72.80 with SMTP id l16mr682875faj.33.1311742945178; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.78.198 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Jul 2011 22:02:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: MorphemeAddict Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 01:02:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Coining a lujvo: "evidence" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174a0b3848b37204a905f4fe --0015174a0b3848b37204a905f4fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:50 AM, .arpis. wrote: > gah! {oi se'i} > > I meant {gi'e} in place of {ge}, I think; well, there's a reason I included > the English. > > {na ru'e nibli} is an interesting idea, but I have two problems with it: > > The first, which you pointed out, is that it can't be made into a lujvo, > but this is a minor issue. > In fact, it's a non-issue. Use "zei". stevo > The second is that {nibli} seems fundamentally to be the wrong word {pe'i}. > I'm not sure if it's because I think of logical entailment as distinct from > evidence (possibly {malgli} of me) or because it's classified in the CLL as > a causal, but there's some nagging sense that it's the wrong tool for the > job. > > > On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:58 AM, tijlan wrote: > >> On 26 July 2011 09:47, tijlan wrote: >> > [ja'a] klina = to be transparent >> > na klina = to be not transparent >> > na ru'e klina = to be weakly-not transparent --> to be almost >> transparent >> >> Perhaps I should have said: >> >> na klina = to not be transparent >> na ru'e klina = to weakly-not be transparent --> to almost be transparent >> >> "to be not ..." sounds more like "[ja'a] na'e ...". >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .arpis. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 12:50 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64= +jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
gah! {oi se'i}

I mean= t {gi'e} in place of {ge}, I think; well, there's a reason I includ= ed the English.

{na ru'e nibli} is an interesting idea, but I have two problems wit= h it:

The first, which you pointed out, is that it can't be made= into a lujvo, but this is a minor issue.
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In fact, it's a non-issue. Use "zei".
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stevo
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The second is that {nibli} seems= fundamentally to be the wrong word {pe'i}. I'm not sure if it'= s because I think of logical entailment as distinct from evidence (possibly= {malgli} of me) or because it's classified in the CLL as a causal, but= there's some nagging sense that it's the wrong tool for the job.= =20


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 4:58 AM, tijlan <jbot= ijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 26 July 2011 09:47, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> =A0[ja'= a] klina =3D to be transparent
> =A0na klina =3D to be not transparen= t
> =A0na ru'e klina =3D to be weakly-not transparent --> to b= e almost transparent

Perhaps I should have said:

=A0na klina =3D to not be tran= sparent
=A0na ru'e klina =3D to weakly-not be transparent --> to = almost be transparent

"to be not ..." sounds more like &qu= ot;[ja'a] na'e ...".

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