From lojban-beginners+bncCNCCoMTMDhCshsHxBBoES8uBIQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 27 09:56:25 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qm7PB-0007VN-T8; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:24 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf2582796gwb.16 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=L/JhKHaVsoydnBanMK9YTFChHuNvVDT79UxFDt4MVwI=; b=yKEfZ0ZCuNcRNwfEpFC+34hL5sPWg4j8cyS2ydjRVtQSg/L7DU+qNoR3VzYuuxyf2z 8+b9BpaSyT512ddsYpz85sgg5jQU2mMdUyeQlBvFuY5SAM/XpNPBcn+Z726Y+IVzdpwg xFPhuwJvBTn4OTPwkowB/VLFo3PYKfOeqAqFk= Received: by 10.150.163.5 with SMTP id l5mr11126ybe.8.1311785772795; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.233.19 with SMTP id f19ls1585477anh.7.gmail; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.116.199 with SMTP id g47mr14235yhh.95.1311785770489; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.116.199 with SMTP id g47mr14234yhh.95.1311785770478; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f169.google.com (mail-gx0-f169.google.com [209.85.161.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t25si37920anp.1.2011.07.27.09.56.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.169; Received: by mail-gx0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 23so1237244gxk.28 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.225.6 with SMTP id x6mr32493wfg.55.1311785770100; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:56:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.60.9 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:55:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Stela Selckiku Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 12:55:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Coining a lujvo: "evidence" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: selckiku@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of selckiku@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=selckiku@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 6:25 PM, .arpis. wrote: > > When I think of the relationship described by "evidence", it comes to > something like "x1(du'u) is evidence/suggests that x2 (du'u) is true [under > epistemology x3]". Here's some ideas: za'e jetydatni valsi ca'e lo du'u xyxipa datni lo du'u xyxire jetnu xyxici kei xyxivo za'e {jetydatni}: x1 is data supporting the hypothesis that x2 is true (under metaphysics x3), collected by method x4 za'e facydatni valsi ca'e lo du'u xyxipa datni lo du'u xyxire fatci kei xyxici za'e {facydatni}: x1 is data supporting the hypothesis that x2 is a fact, collected by method x3 Or maybe not. Maybe those are better for x1 is a piece of data that's factual, as opposed to false data. Or wait, is that a distinction without a difference? > (While writing this, I realize that {nibyti'i} almost means what I want, but > I'm not sure if {lo nibyti'i} can be used to mean "evidence"). What the mabla does {stidi} have to do with anything? Seems malgli. mu'o mi'e la stela selckiku -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.