From lojban-beginners+bncCNTPpI2KGxCGl-DyBBoEXbxrVQ@googlegroups.com Fri Aug 26 14:09:38 2011 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qx3eh-0004my-EM; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:09:37 -0700 Received: by vwe42 with SMTP id 42sf2926865vwe.16 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=PBsS6WbzvZGSrIVvMgXeVNWNCs4HHiU0HM7so1pcWw8=; b=TyEUQwfuM1Jzhl2rrJnZPGQMw9d21E4bh6E10v/POz+DvHzpJg6KblhVKBggMXYVD/ NuFQlvoddD4c1RhgXE3z2mO++0In5fFm6ktlBhrtN0DmUH2R5FDhu+uKqFb8Bo6DtsZv o1STvv9YdYrrUIdRX0poPAAxUa/VCLQIVGxlA= Received: by 10.220.151.140 with SMTP id c12mr519099vcw.7.1314392966476; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.9.10 with SMTP id j10ls1802720vcj.1.canary; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.68.205 with SMTP id y13mr1636519vdt.9.1314392966006; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:09:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.68.205 with SMTP id y13mr1636518vdt.9.1314392965997; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bv16si2950507vdc.1.2011.08.26.14.09.24; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:09:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=UwuCiQyt7jHkjdoYW2VQEWtfJyhst2+aqhtsuVXDAZo= c=1 sm=0 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=A8D99tDRbI4A:10 a=wPDyFdB5xvgA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=h1maLQM9v1tPbCSb_FQA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:52741] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 38/80-15749-48B085E4; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:09:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A66D1D293 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:09:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban "r" Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:09:21 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201108261709.22629.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Friday 26 August 2011 14:44:50 Jonathan Jones wrote: > Yeah, well, I'd have to hear you say it, because I pronounce "pear", > "pair", and "pare" the same: {peir}. I pronounce them /pe=C9=B9/ -> [p=CA=B0e=C9=B9]. /e/ usually is pronounced = as [ei], except=20 before /=C9=B9/ and /l/, but I may sometimes pronounce "they're" as [=C3=B0= ei=C9=B9] > Regardless, I'm pretty sure that your pronunciation of {lerfu} is > incorrect, because the "er" in {lerfu} should sound like the "er" in > payer". The "er" in "payer" is /=C9=99=C9=B9/ -> [=C9=B9=CC=A9] in my dialect. "er"= in "lerfu" should=20 be /er/, which could be [=CE=B5r], [=CE=B5=C9=B9], [e=C9=BE], or any of sev= eral other=20 combinations. Pierre --=20 Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.