From lojban-beginners+bncCJLV_tPeERDL0uPyBBoE-CIsDA@googlegroups.com Sat Aug 27 05:56:04 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QxIQP-0005zD-KI; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:56:04 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf6832360gwb.16 for ; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:55:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=a37Ol/coRs6cqKhLjevnk88jXn6RgG4WSfjjjfsqGoQ=; b=X0I3DYcq8K8fGc++7liMfRWRTMTiVdOFOVDrkK7eN6u33JQiZZa4VptMnO0nk/JHYf FliRowt0B/QIJ51e0CXhdFwXeMbzXaU1KJ4vQTSQ6bYzVsvqdibqLlI+I5qpZQWBYFq8 +VGwl0sJptx9j0xW0H5qK3+VGkSGrVthSkSck= Received: by 10.146.147.18 with SMTP id u18mr388108yad.2.1314449739890; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:55:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.189.5 with SMTP id r5ls7467921anp.6.gmail; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.139.36 with SMTP id r36mr2054547ann.5.1314449738446; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 05:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.109.2 with SMTP id h2msybc; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:29:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.79.11 with SMTP id g11mr186714wfl.50.1314440957210; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:29:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <28ab3499-9d06-4d35-bfb2-fdabebc74f6d@b34g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <28ab3499-9d06-4d35-bfb2-fdabebc74f6d@b34g2000prf.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/6.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <13569252-07f3-4097-852b-cc669b508527@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" From: Viral Lamb To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: jms1992@comcast.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I know realize, that I was wrong about using a trilled "r" when pronouncing "lerfu" would avoid the "e" sound turning into a "ei" sound. It seems no matter if its an english "r" or spanish "r', when accompanied by the letter 'e' (whether before or after) the "r" sound inevitably turns the "e" sound into the "ei" sound. This seems to be a very big problem, though I found that pronouncing "lerfu" like "le.rfu" keeps it from sounding like "ei". When said fast, there is no pause, but it definitely sounds different from normal. It sounds weird, but its the only way I've come across to fix this problem in lojban. This seems like a rather significant problem that needs to be addressed for the purposes of keeping such obvious ambiguity out of lojban. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.