From lojban-beginners+bncCMHEmaCOBhDP6OfyBBoEjIaqMQ@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 28 00:55:13 2011 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QxaCx-0006PX-Aj; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:55:10 -0700 Received: by wwf4 with SMTP id 4sf9138631wwf.16 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:55:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zfZ71VGdR/CqKOiB3ThIdptrvDW/5RZBvrresb7WIYc=; b=SaTlBQSWPu/np+LVeVv4ran+32yQkBleCEPyyWh9npHUF8+DbljOM848D5jN+oxM33 nyp0f9Uhr5fU5fThn8AjpsA7wW2trFsfkSBK7pHNOl0YZlZ2Rhh2w3LhniomETYLSKOZ MxsWmvNu/pGw+qCfAJjf4PhgF/OJVTcIcv2aE= Received: by 10.216.229.132 with SMTP id h4mr907989weq.5.1314518095694; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.135.200 with SMTP id u48ls373191eei.5.canary; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.9.6 with SMTP id j6mr738171ebj.6.1314518093632; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.9.6 with SMTP id j6mr738170ebj.6.1314518093601; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f45.google.com (mail-fx0-f45.google.com [209.85.161.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10si768962fak.1.2011.08.28.00.54.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.45; Received: by fxbb27 with SMTP id b27so4641045fxb.18 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.76.201 with SMTP id d9mr4750390fak.119.1314518093388; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.41.68 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 00:54:53 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 01:54:53 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747bdba01de7d04ab8c1829 --00151747bdba01de7d04ab8c1829 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't think syllabic "r" should have an "e" either. I just think his "r" does. On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Luke Bergen wrote: > No. Your "er" and your "eir" are both my "eir". I can hear a difference, >> but I wouldn't think either of them were "er". Your "er" is not my "er", you >> "r" is. > > > Sounds malgli to me. If I heard syllabic "r" I would not think that there > was supposed to be an "e" in there. Does my "er" not sounds like it has the > "e" sound in it? Because I've worked quite hard at making my mouth be able > to do that. It feels very unnatural to my lazy english tongue to put "e" > and "r" back to back like that. It keeps trying to be lazy and turn it into > just "runn*er*" > > Sorry, just going to have to agree to disagree on this one then because I'm > never going to speak lojban with those sounds. I'm too big a fan of > audiovisual isomorphism to be dropping vowels here and there. > > If your way of pronouncing things is the "official" way then please add the > "er"/"r" lack of distinction here: > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Breakdowns+of+audiovisual+isomorphism > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00151747bdba01de7d04ab8c1829 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't think syllabic "r" should have an "e" eithe= r. I just think his "r" does.

O= n Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrot= e:
No. Your "er" and your "eir" are both my "eir"= ;. I can hear a difference, but I wouldn't think either of them were &q= uot;er". Your "er" is not my "er", you "r&quo= t; is.

Sounds malgli to me. =A0If I heard syllabic "= ;r" I would not think that there was supposed to be an "e" i= n there. =A0Does my "er" not sounds like it has the "e"= sound in it? =A0Because I've worked quite hard at making my mouth be a= ble to do =A0that. =A0It feels very unnatural to my lazy english tongue to = put "e" and "r" back to back like that. =A0It keeps try= ing to be lazy and turn it into just "runner"

Sorry, just going to have to agree to disagree on this = one then because I'm never going to speak lojban with those sounds. =A0= I'm too big a fan of audiovisual=A0isomorphism to be dropping vowels he= re and there.

If your way of pronouncing things is the "official= " way then please add the "er"/"r" lack of distinc= tion here:=A0http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Breakdowns+of+a= udiovisual+isomorphism


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