From lojban-beginners+bncCJbznvHdFRCWo-zyBBoESmuxiA@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 28 21:12:22 2011 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QxtCs-0003nz-Ik; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:21 -0700 Received: by fxd2 with SMTP id 2sf6399851fxd.16 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MO/OzHMBKvmrokITKtlc5XdaFeRFciOsW7IxwXFfZXw=; b=OY/Qe0YpXKB6/tdAsXQzVEvf9HpPlMU2YaSBQAg1aYvFMKJimheNZMBmF0RAVv1sJD XqgVcOSvFked12GIpDtMUoPzCjADU488c+f3hVi1lV3F3WpdUDnqptBko4NU93b6OUfT sF1xprjC+319fb1oiyonzeL4VrDGZux5oXrgg= Received: by 10.223.61.147 with SMTP id t19mr628102fah.1.1314591126591; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.2.69 with SMTP id 5ls497972bki.1.gmail; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.137.88 with SMTP id v24mr661128bkt.10.1314591125278; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.137.88 with SMTP id v24mr661127bkt.10.1314591125258; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f46.google.com (mail-fx0-f46.google.com [209.85.161.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r28si2014348fag.3.2011.08.28.21.12.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.46; Received: by fxh19 with SMTP id 19so5912912fxh.33 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.64.205 with SMTP id f13mr121305fai.3.1314591125110; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:12:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.71 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:11:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 00:11:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojban "r" To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517402dc209802204ab9d19fd --001517402dc209802204ab9d19fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd say it's not a problem at all, so any fuss is too big. Anybody fluent in Lojban will understand anybody else's Lojban pronunciation, although it may take a few minutes to get used to it. The issue of audiovisual isomorphism is irrelevant at this point, since the only conversational partners anyone will have are people. On the other hand, pronouncing Lojban as clearly and understandably as possible is a good thing. stevo On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Viral Lamb wrote: > While trying to get back into learning lojban, I came across something > I thought was rather important. When saying the word "lerfu" (which > means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying > "leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ). > > I pronounce the letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english, > and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "e" > and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu". Using a > "trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the "e" sound doesn't > turn into a "ei" sound. > > Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I think I > can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certainly not perfect. > Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in this video says it (1:15) > is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INCr1bV8kGk > > Is this a big problem, or am I making too big a fuss? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. 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I'd=A0say it's not a problem at all, so any fuss is too big. A= nybody fluent in Lojban will understand anybody else's Lojban pronuncia= tion, although it may take a few minutes to get used to it.
The issue of audiovisual isomorphism is irrelevant at this point, sinc= e the only conversational partners anyone will have are people.
On the other hand, pronouncing Lojban as clearly and understandably as= possible is a good thing.
=A0
stevo

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Viral Lamb <jms1992@comcast.ne= t> wrote:
While trying to get back into le= arning lojban, I came across something
I thought was rather important. W= hen saying the word "lerfu" (which
means letter I think) I noticed that it sounds like I'm saying
"= ;leirfu" (even though that isn't a word xD ).

I pronounce t= he letter "r" in lojban the same way I would in english,
and I found that's the root of the problem. When pronouncing the "= e"
and "r" together, I can't help but say it like "leirfu&q= uot;. Using a
"trilled r" such as in spanish or esperanto, the= "e" sound doesn't
turn into a "ei" sound.

Is there any other way to pronounce the "r" in lojban, cuz I = think I
can trill my "r"s most of the time, but I'm certai= nly not perfect.
Trying to say "hamstron" the way the guy in t= his video says it (1:15)
is certainly a challenge, yet good for practice. http://www.youtube.com/wat= ch?v=3DINCr1bV8kGk

Is this a big problem, or am I making too big= a fuss?

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