From lojban-beginners+bncCK7Yk5CUCxD93e_yBBoEMLxxcw@googlegroups.com Mon Aug 29 12:57:00 2011 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qy7x3-0008Sk-0B; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:59 -0700 Received: by gxk3 with SMTP id 3sf801581gxk.16 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=qT29VOy97FR5TuMRsC4i7m84dPCSToJDWtjHslojqB4=; b=nuxe2/0bPHeFQy8y3CwOxu1UwKlQqmUBJ3bJoH+VlANKA0N9M6yE+WByCgn8QbTug7 LjthFm3ek4hVtB7LRajR46yBwK/oMR/uNmwYHOuViibS3zZsx2YpWDeTYmjsjAgUGyzM 6C8Ih+Vrdg4dS+sLU6BIaoKbRqFDEiWoUZNcM= Received: by 10.150.93.18 with SMTP id q18mr881711ybb.49.1314647805995; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.233.7 with SMTP id f7ls12997893anh.7.gmail; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.195.6 with SMTP id x6mr4253619anp.18.1314647804438; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.195.6 with SMTP id x6mr4253618anp.18.1314647804420; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f42.google.com (mail-gw0-f42.google.com [74.125.83.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v10si8708743anq.2.2011.08.29.12.56.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.42; Received: by gwb17 with SMTP id 17so8648200gwb.1 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.43.134.72 with SMTP id ib8mr4912441icc.94.1314647804214; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.178.71 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 12:56:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20110826170823.GB17646@alice.local> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:56:43 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Lojbanifying the Tranquility Calendar From: Remo Dentato To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: rdentato@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rdentato@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rdentato@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm really sorry! I hit "Send" too quickly :( On Friday, August 26, 2011, DataPacRat wrote: > Year names: > * BT, Before Tranquility > * AT, After Tranquility The first thing is to decide how render "Tranquility" that is a specific instance of an English word (and not just the translation of {tolxanka}. Anyway, we're lucky that both start with 't' :) Let's create a fu'ivla for such important word: {trankuiliti} and let's hope someone will do better. So for the purpose of the years, we can consider events "before Tranquility" to have happened {pu lo trankuiliti} and abbreviate it as {pyty} and events "after Tranquility" to have happened {ba lo trankuiliti} and abbreviate it as {byty}. It's unfortunate that now "bt" means exactly the opposite it did earlier, but so is life. Now,since lerfu strings can be legally used as numbers, 12BT can be {li parepyty} (12 in past of Tranquility) and 31AT would be {li cipabyty} (31 in the future of Tranquility). > Individual days: "Landing" is another word that needs some work. Jonathan suggested {stagai} which is more like anchoring/parking. I see it different from the act of "landing" which (to me) is the end on land of a travel that did not occur on land. I could not think of anything better than {tumkla} = "x1=k1 comes/goes to destination x2=k2=t1 from origin x3=k3 via route x4=k4 using means/vehicle x5=k5". I know, every lujvo made with {klama} seems trivial and abused, but I couldn't find of a better way to indicate a destination (after all, we don't even have a gismu for "arriving" which is simply the opposite of leaving!). For these three days you'll need "numbers" too to be used in dates. Again I would use a lerfu string. > * Moon Landing Day -> {tumkladj} -> {tykydy} > * Armstrong Day -> {armstrongydj} -> {ayrydy} > * Aldrin Day -> {aldrinydj} -> {aylydy} For example, the Moon Landing Day,1970 would be li tykydy pi'e papyty I'm also convinced that weekdays names should be names and I like forming names with rafsi, so here are my proposals > Days of the week: > * Venusday -> {venusyd} > * Saturnday -> {saturnyd} > * Solday -> {solyd} > * Lunaday -> {lunad} > * Marsday -> {marsyd} > * Mercuryday -> {mercuryd} > * Jupiterday -> {djupiteryd} Ending with "d" will leave less doubts on what those names do name. For months, I've opted for the sound "m" to end the names, to remind of {masti}. For months I would have loved to mimic what the inventor of this calendar had done (using the letters from "A" to "M") but i found difficult to adapt it to lojban due to the different sounds of letters and the missing "h". So maybe numbers would be the better options. > Months: > * Archimedes -> arkimedesym > * Brahe -> bra'em > * Copernicus -> kopernikusym > * Darwin -> daruinym > * Einstein -> ainstainym > * Faraday -> faradeim > * Galileo -> galileom > * Hippocrates -> xippocratesym > * Imhotep -> imy'otepym > * Jung -> iungym > * Kepler -> keplerym > * Lavoisier -> lavuasierym > * Mendel -> mendelym That said, the date of your message (Saturnday, Brahe 9, 43 AT) would be: {saturnyd bra'em so pi'e vocipyty} And you could have said: {lo cabdei cu detri lu saturnyd bra'em so pi'e vocipyty li'u} > Thank you for your time, It has been very useful for me. I understand now that I should study better how dates work in lojban! I hope you can find some useful element in what I wrot! remod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. 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