From lojban-beginners+bncCJLV_tPeERD1rPLyBBoElWP08Q@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 30 00:51:42 2011 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QyJ6V-0007St-V0; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:42 -0700 Received: by gwb11 with SMTP id 11sf11324027gwb.16 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3CziBU5MBJ9ZuST12WxMS7GL4pEvYGNgsAx/L+cVqnM=; b=wAcNXWVRdiWxSNLemeiRFqb1hutE4szuDC0cPL3D6LLlfzGgMgwxXrxKkZ/MCZK2GY OfzZFgyfRM/9AINYG0x1xB7x0m5mU/Awt5SQ51PAZNMUwRXZosB0uUGaAbfc5Zc/DNnA gC0LtU5ub6VHSC7vy9koUsMsn1JXPbGyCohI4= Received: by 10.236.136.37 with SMTP id v25mr1231089yhi.15.1314690677801; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.204.19 with SMTP id g19ls14027977anq.5.gmail; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.3.36 with SMTP id f36mr4854131ani.0.1314690677188; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 00:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.138.5 with SMTP id q5msybn; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:34:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.248.19 with SMTP id v19mr981698agh.51.1314668049581; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by b34g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:34:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <41f3563c-23b4-4c7b-96fc-8b5fcd11033a@z1g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <144c6f02-30c0-4257-88ab-5f2951c2fa48@c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <2fe2465c-df10-499c-9698-3eb60d4bc1a3@m35g2000prl.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/6.0,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <7e7a8d88-1e1a-48ec-8578-9832a7bcac06@b34g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r" From: Viral Lamb To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Sender: jms1992@comcast.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 300742228892 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The only difference I can hear between your "er" and "eir" is that you lengthen the vowel in "eir". Its still the same sound, just longer. Even if you say they are different, they are still way way too close in sound to not be ambiguous. On Aug 29, 6:29=A0pm, Luke Bergen wrote: > > I pronounce {er} like in "bett*er*". I pronounce {eir} like in "*air*". > > The two do not sound alike, and I don't have Luke's problem with thinki= ng it > > sounds too "Englishy" to pronounce {er} like that. > > The only issue is that it's not how lojban is pronounced. =A0I imagine th= at > some of our ponjbope'o had some trouble learning how/when/where to use "l= " > vs "r" but at the end of they day they will/should because that's how loj= ban > is pronounced. =A0If you can't pronounce "er" as "e" followed by "r" then > practice. > > > =A0And no, its not just "some people" who have a problem pronouncing "e= r" > > >> =A0and "eir" differently, its everyone from what I can see. I've yet t= o > > >> =A0see how anyone "could" pronounce them differently. If anyone would > > like to prove me wrong I'm all ears. > > http://cinch.fm/lbergen/276687 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.